NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

[legaleagle92481]

Re: NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

Thanks Russell.

I was working off Yahoo to figure out the PA rate for the past 30 days and using ESPN for the actual PA since it had stats for SF and SH which is part of PA. So the 5 extra PA is from Sundays game. So Infante has some leeway to quality and not be penalized. Over the past 30 days, he is hitting leadoff and does not seem to take a rest day.

Correction added.

This is all fascinating but whether or not Infante wins BA title has no bearing on the TC. Pujols' average is too low. Cargo and Votto don't have enough homers and there are a slew of players besides those three with similar homer or RBI totals. If he wins he goes down as worst player to ever win a ba title which right now is probably Bill Mueller.

[joelsabi]

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He actually is currently at 426 PA and 398 AB. You have him at 421 and 393 through yesterday.

Thanks Russell.

I was working off Yahoo to figure out the PA rate for the past 30 days and using ESPN for the actual PA since it had stats for SF and SH which is part of PA. So the 5 extra PA is from Sundays game. So Infante has some leeway to quality and not be penalized. Over the past 30 days, he is hitting leadoff and does not seem to take a rest day.

Correction added.

[lakeerie92]

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I added incorrectly the number of games played. Should be 144 not 148 so the extra 4 games I missed at the 4.6 PA per game average the past 30 games should make him eligible without penalty. So its should be a tight race with Infante currently ahead.

He actually is currently at 426 PA and 398 AB. You have him at 421 and 393 through yesterday.

[joelsabi]

Re: NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

I added incorrectly the number of games played. Should be 144 not 148 so the extra 4 games I missed at the 4.6 PA per game average the past 30 games should make him eligible without penalty. So its should be a tight race with Infante currently ahead.

[joelsabi]

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After today it is safe to say another year will pass without a TC. Seems impossible for Cargo to make up seven homers in three weeks.

At least before Sunday's game he was 10 points above everyone in the batting title. I estimated that you can penalize Infante 17 at bats at the end of the season for not reaching the 502 plate appearance mark. So that 0 fer 17 "streak" really put a dent in Infante's chances.

My calculations:

[legaleagle92481]

Re: NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

After today it is safe to say another year will pass without a TC. Seems impossible for Cargo to make up seven homers in three weeks.

[lakeerie92]

Re: NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

Well Prado and Infante are teammates and both up there as well (though as we all know Omar does not have the PAs yet) so is there a Turner Field effect also? And Prado and Infante are to phrase this lightly on the less talented side when compared to Tulo and Cargo.

That is a good point when you pull up the splits between Prado and Infante they are much more favorable at home in terms of BA. Turner field is more of a pitchers park due to humidity keeping the ball down. Prado although only became an everyday player late last year and hit over .300 then so I don't think you can rule out the fact that he has as much talent as a Tulo or Cargo yet.

[legaleagle92481]

Re: NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

Will Pujols whine again if he doesn't win it?

If Pujols wins it will be the biggest joke ever. His slump and the team's collapse went hand in hand. They are behind a team that has half the talent and experience they do. They have Holliday, Pujols, Carpenter, Garcia and Wainwright few teams in baseball have a core that good. The Reds have Votto but beyond him who is really on the star level?

[legaleagle92481]

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That is true, however the other guy hitting over .300 is second in the batting race (Tulowitzki hitting .327)

Well Prado and Infante are teammates and both up there as well (though as we all know Omar does not have the PAs yet) so is there a Turner Field effect also? And Prado and Infante are to phrase this lightly on the less talented side when compared to Tulo and Cargo.

[Neal]

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Will Pujols whine again if he doesn't win it?

[rj_lucas]

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Thanks for staying on top of these numbers Christopher -- we're getting spoiled with our own personal stats tracker

To me, the most interesting 'what if' questions are with Votto. If he were to finish, say, third in each of the TC categories, and the Rockies make the playoffs, does Votto win the MVP?

Rick
rickjlucas@gmail.com

[xpress34]

Re: NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

As we head into the weekend, Gargo is losing his grip on a potential Triple Crown. He need sto get HOT and quick if he wanst to keep the hope alive for the TC...

MVP on the other hand is still an open race as the Rox heat up in September - adding a NEW player into the Batting Title Race:

Cargo

BA - .335
HR - 32
RBI - 100

Votto

BA - .320
HR - 32
RBI - 100

Pujols

BA - .311
HR - 37
RBI - 99

Infante

BA - .340 (Not yet qualified for Batting Title - 415 PAs)
HR - 7
RBI - 40

Tulowitzki

BA - .327 (2nd - 440 PAs meets the 3.1 PAs per game avg)
HR - 20
RBI - 72

Will update again on Monday

[skier14]

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As fascinating as that is, the rest of the team seems to have reaped no benefit at all. Check the stats. Only two guys, including Cargo are hitting over .300. The next highest homer total after Cargo is 18! And the next highest RBI total is 69! In fact its September and only two guys have over 100 hits including Cargo.

That is true, however the other guy hitting over .300 is second in the batting race (Tulowitzki hitting .327)

[jbsportstuff]

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Ok...that did NOT paste like I wanted it to. Here is a link to check out what I was talking about. Cargo is having an awesome year...but he has well over 100+ plus more plate appearences and AB's compared to the next Co Ro.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/COL/2010.shtml

[jbsportstuff]

Re: NL MVP Race should go to the wire!!!!

As fascinating as that is, the rest of the team seems to have reaped no benefit at all. Check the stats. Only two guys, including Cargo are hitting over .300. The next highest homer total after Cargo is 18! And the next highest RBI total is 69! In fact its September and only two guys have over 100 hits including Cargo.

You can do no doubt argue the the BA...but if you look at the amount of At bats that the other players have compared to Cargo, that is a big reason why there aren't more homers or RBI's.

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