Disappointed in Pujols...

[flota89]

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Has anyone considered that Albert chooses to charge so much because the money goes to a good cause? Albert uses revenue from his signings and other auctions to help his Pujols Family Foundation in many cases. He knows the market ... and he knows that the more he signs and the cheaper he signs the less he will get in the future. There are two sides to every story. I couldn't really care less if he signs autographs. Most "fans" choose to bash him for ridiculous reasons anyway.

[momen55]

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when we had REAL ballplayers, they got paid pennies and signed all day and free.
now these overpaid babies have to charge for a chicken scratch on a ball! this society has gone to hell in a handbasket. i make 20M a year, but i still want $500 for my sig on a ball or photo or whatever. on reason why i don't collect this crap and never will. the ones that like to spend money on this stuff are the ones that keep it going.
not a ballplayer, but walter payton made a lot of money and still signed for free, at least the times i saw him. he signed for me at one of his night clubs i was at and was happy to do so. too much money has made these dummies think they are better than everyone else. $&*%$%.

[OaklandAsFan]

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its not the money that does that, its the adoration of the fans and the fact that they pretty much have everything done for them which gives them all a super inflated ego.

[godwulf]

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I'm embarrassed by the players who seem to exude the attitude that they're too good to sign autographs, or that they can't bring themselves to give their sig away; at the same time, I'm even more embarrassed at the guys (it's almost always guys) who show up at Fall League, ST, Instructional League games, etc, with big binders full of cards and want a player to sign 10-40 of the same card. I actually admire the players who, so confronted, will say, "Just two" or "Just five". Those greedy dealers make it very difficult for somebody's who is just trying to get a single baseball or a photo signed, and the players who are really nice about it, and actually stand there and sign all those cards, are just enabling the behavior.

Sorry for the somewhat off-topic rant. Back on-topic: If someone like Pujols wants to start charging three figures for his signature at some point down the road, when he's retired and not making millions, more power to him. People are going to be wanting his autograph twenty years from now, I'm sure. But while he's an active player, he should be signing at every opportunity, for his fans, just like players have been doing since the game went pro 150 years ago. During DBacks ST, the players are scheduled, for a couple of hours a week, to sign items for the team to contribute to charities, and no one is exempt.

Incidentally, an early report on a young player's signing propensities: Anthony Gose, who will almost certainly be a Major Leaguer in the next year or two - definitely one of the "too good to sign" variety. I stood right next to his mother the other day, and couldn't get him to come over.

[rj_lucas]

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Griff -

I posted that MLB has announced that NO 2011 Team Signed WS Champion Balls would be made available due to Pujols fee making the ball 'cost prohibitive'.

Your comments appear to be based on a rumor tweeted by Darren Rovell, which was based on a rumor not attributed to a source. Rovell has since removed the tweet from his account and is currently backpeddling in response to criticism:

#darrenrovell
"For any1 who thinks I have issues attributing to original sources, I challenge you to go back through all my tweets." (November 6)

I've read posts from you in the past and you strike me as a bright guy. Too bright to put stock in 162-character rumors based on rumors.

If you've stated everything as your opinion, I take no issue with it. But if you're characterizing this as reported fact, I respectfully challenge you to support your statements with verifiable, original attribution.

[xpress34]

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its not the money that does that, its the adoration of the fans and the fact that they pretty much have everything done for them which gives them all a super inflated ego.

Nail on the Head!

An example... Coors Field quit letting cabs drive in out back two years ago (after the infamous 'shoe bomber' incident on an airliner. (They say it's not racist - most of the cabbies in Denver are Muslim - but I digress)

Anyway, there have been players who have gotten out of the cab, asked the gate attendant to call someone, told the small group (usually LESS than 10 people) out back who are TRUE autograph seekers (The Dealers here stick to the hotels) that they 'don't have time' to sign right now while they just stand there for 5 to 10 minutes waiting for the cart to come pick them up. The funniest part is they are pro ATHLETES and the walk would have taken them less than 3 minutes to make!!!

If you don't want to sign, just say it and be honest - don't insult my intelligence with some BS excuse... as an example, a couple of years ago Lastings Milledge told us he couldn't sign because his 'balls hurt'... Aaron Rowand told us his hands were full (he had a rolling bag and a newspaper) while another player was signing for us with two bags and a cup of coffee... oh yeah, I've heard about every excuse.

That said, do I think players OWE me an autograph - absolutely not. BUT, I do deserve - at a minimum - to be treated with respect and as a human being. Anyone that knows me will tell you that I have dumped entire collections of a player after seeing how they interact with fans if they are a complete douche.

Sorry for the 'off-topic' rant, but had to get t out there...

- Smitty

[xpress34]

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Your comments appear to be based on a rumor tweeted by Darren Rovell, which was based on a rumor not attributed to a source. Rovell has since removed the tweet from his account and is currently backpeddling in response to criticism:

#darrenrovell
"For any1 who thinks I have issues attributing to original sources, I challenge you to go back through all my tweets." (November 6)

I've read posts from you in the past and you strike me as a bright guy. Too bright to put stock in 162-character rumors based on rumors.

If you've stated everything as your opinion, I take no issue with it. But if you're characterizing this as reported fact, I respectfully challenge you to support your statements with verifiable, original attribution.

I don't know if it was Darren Rovell's tweet or not. The source I heard it stated on was 'Intentional Talk' on MLB Network.

Again, to date, the are NO 'verifiable' WS Team Signed Balls available through the Cardinals Store (or auctions), MLB Store (or auctions), Steiner, Mounted Memories, etc.

The ONE ball that you posted a link too is a one shot AUCTION site offer that - if legitimate - was probably signed over the course of the WS. The ONE ball that I posted has questionable signatures at best.

Again, to date the story has proven true as usually, this far past the Final Game of the WS (over a week) - Team signed balls have been offered for sale through one of the sources listed above.

If you're a Pujols fan, good for you. I met him in 2002 while working for Nike and sent a good 4-5 hours with him in the store. He was very nice then. Over the years, I have watched him (from my perspective) become more and more jaded and bitter towards the fans. To my point - when he came back in 2003 we talked for a few minutes at the hotel (he remembered me from Nike), 2004 he kinda half assed a wave, 2005 after making his 1st WS appearance wouldn't even acknowledge me and since then it's been worse each year they have been here. I'm not asking him to be my buddy, just be more open to the fans.

Just my .02

- Smitty

[freddiefreeman5]

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I like single signature baseballs better anyway.
The team signed balls look messy to me.

And the athletes charge what the public is willing to pay.
Are they greedy? Yes they are.
But the public could control the autograph prices.

[OaklandAsFan]

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Incidentally, an early report on a young player's signing propensities: Anthony Gose, who will almost certainly be a Major Leaguer in the next year or two - definitely one of the "too good to sign" variety. I stood right next to his mother the other day, and couldn't get him to come over.

Gose has been harder to get this AFL than Bryce Harper!

[BU54CB]

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i never have a problem with anyone cashing in on their name.

And I certainyl think my fandom of the Rays and the small $3,000 I spend a year in merch, game used and tickets "pays" anyone's salary directly. Indirectly yes, but we as the public has accepted and tolerated our own treatment.

No player owes any fan anything in my opinion. Could it be considered rude, i guess by some people's standards.

Also, I also do not think athletes are overpaid AT ALL. Look at the top 700 people in most professions in this country, most of them are all making more than a very good percentage of athletes and can do their jobs for a couple decades. Most pro sports careers (baseball has exceptions) last on the high end 15 years. And athletes also get about 42% taken out of taxes and union fees. No they shouldn't get sympathy really, but keep in mind they are the best at what they do and millions of people have tried their same sport and failed to excel.

Guys like Peyton Manning have almost single handedly doubled the value of the franchise by their play on the field.

What value has Pujols added to St. Louis in general? Do they even make the playoffs without him? Hey, I dislike him as much as anyone, but off the field eh should be able to do what he wants and I am all for anyone cashing in on their own name. It is tough enough to make a dollar as it is, do what you have to do. And yes, he makes millions and blah, blah blah, it is is right to do it, as it is anyones right to dislike it.

Believe me if I was a pro athlete, I would be far worse than the majority of these guys on all levels.

Just curious, if you're $3K doesn't pay salaries, then what does it pay for? The money has to come from somewhere.

[godwulf]

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... as an example, a couple of years ago Lastings Milledge told us he couldn't sign because his 'balls hurt'...

When I was in the Navy, there was a saying that meant that you were full of crap about something: "Your ass hurts!" Don't know why that just came back to me.

Gose has been harder to get this AFL than Bryce Harper!

The funny thing is, I didn't particularly want Gose's autograph - I just wanted him to sign the ball because it was one that he'd hit foul in a game earlier in the week, and collecting foul balls and getting them signed by the guy who hit them is one of my favorite Fall League activities. The Rafters didn't have a game till that night, but I went out to Phoenix Muni that morning just to get Gose to sign that ball; I hadn't even planned to stay for the whole game, but he told me, "After the game", then vanished after the game without a trace.

Even funnier - as I was fixing to leave, I saw a skinny Black kid in a Toronto uniform signing for a guy in the tunnel leading down to the locker room, and I heard the guy say what sounded like "Thanks, Anthony", so I quickly dug out the ball and passed it under the wire with a pen, and the player signs it, then turns away, and I realize that what the guy had actually said was, "Thanks, Adeiny"...Hechavarria. Well, it's signed, anyway, even if by the wrong guy.

[Griffey24fan]

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Again, both baseballs that are team signed in this page are 100% not authentic.

The Pujols on both baseballs is fake 100%.

Yes there may be some signed by him which were done IP during the World Series as it seems he signed on the road, however neither one of those are real. I am sure some will come out, at some point. Anyone who is wanting one wait until the winter warm up in St. Louis to get one signed before the season starts.

[mbrieve]

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I follow Rovell on twitter and during the World Series he mentioned that there was no commercially available 2006 Cardinals team signed baseball brought to market due to Pujols' high fee. He mentioned that in 2010 the same thing happened with the Giants and I believe he mentioned Tim Lincecum as the cost prohibitive player.

Rovell also mentioned that it only takes one of the star players to hold out for them not to do a ball. I believe in 2009, Steiner had a team signed Yankees ball, but it was missing one or two players (I believe A.J. Burnett was one of them). In that case, I'm guessing Steiner said, we have Jeter, ARod, Texeira, Rivera, etc., who is going to notice Burnett missing???

I think the anger is a bit misplaced. Pujols is clearing doing signings with the likes of Steiner and others. However, these companies have decided that the cost of a team ball including Pujols (and lets face it, you need Pujols), is more than most consumers are willing to pay, so why go through the hassle? It isn't Pujols saying no to signing team balls, it is the companies saying that the retail price would be cost prohibitive.

[mbrieve]

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Let me just add that this situation isn't really as scandalous as it is being made out to be. For example, Miguel Cabrera and Justin Verlander are the biggest Detroit Tiger stars currently. The local promoters would love to bring them in for signings, but they have not been able to sign a deal with either one of them where the promoter believes they can make money (or break even). It is possible that for both of them that the money being offered isn't really worth their time (when you are making $20 million a year, what is a $100,000?).

So, is anyone to blame? If the promoter or player takes less than market value to please the general public, you will have dealers loading up and flipping the items on eBay...the market will always prevail. I just don't understand the outrage or the media (i.e. Rovell) hyping this story.

[godwulf]

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That it might not be worth a player's time to do a paid signing, because he's just too damn rich to have to worry about making another hundred grand for an hour's work, does not explain why that player won't sign for his fans, for nothing. And if he's really all that worried about somebody making money off of his autograph, then reducing the Sellers' profit motive by giving it away at every opportunity - in effect, flooding the market with his autograph - would seem to be the logical solution.

Here in Phoenix, Luis Gonzalez is about as big a sports celebrity as one ever gets to be...but the owner of a memorabilia shop told me the other day that he can't sell Gonzo's autograph anymore because Gonzo walks around signing for everybody all the time.