Another juicer........

[Trublubrucru]

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For three years previous he was an all star and a silver slugger. What changed? Why now? Did sitting on the bench for the All Star game with an injury make him make a horrid decision to use and get back faster? He did start to tear it up in late July. Is it possible he used all along in his career?

As a Brewers fan, a baseball fan, I'm stunned, disappointed, and now a bit disillusioned on where to go collecting wise.

Damn, what a gut punch

[yankees506]

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I root for the team everyone loves to hate and yet I still found myself rooting for Braun. Its unfortunate and as a baseball fan only two words come to mind; unfortunate and disappointed. Sad day indeed.

[OaklandAsFan]

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For three years previous he was an all star and a silver slugger. What changed? Why now? Did sitting on the bench for the All Star game with an injury make him make a horrid decision to use and get back faster? He did start to tear it up in late July. Is it possible he used all along in his career?

As a Brewers fan, a baseball fan, I'm stunned, disappointed, and now a bit disillusioned on where to go collecting wise.

Damn, what a gut punch

I think it would be safer to assume that he (along with many others IMHO) used from day one and he just got caught. The cream and the clear were designer drugs that were made to help but not be detected, I'm sure there are plenty of other drugs with similar effects out there and he just messed up and didn't clean up his system before the test.

[freddiefreeman5]

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Does anyone know if MLB test are random or do they tell the players ahead of time?

[Mets05]

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Stole this from yahoo.com:

It’s easy to understand why Braun would use PEDs. MLB took 3,868 tests between the beginning of the 2010 offseason and the end of the 2011 World Series. Everyone on a 40-man roster took one within the first five days of spring training, which knocked off about 1,200. Each took another unannounced test during the season. And MLB threw in 1,200 more random tests for the rest of the year, playoffs included.

[kellsox]

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This is another reason why people should never think that anyone in recent history "did it clean". There is so much the public doesn't know. Just because a guy didn't physically look the part or is a nice guy does not mean he wasn't getting help.

[3arod13]

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What the heck are you thinking Braun. I thought you were one of the good guys in baseball. I will see him a little different from now on. To bad he had to do this to himself, the team and us fans. What an a dumb ass....

I'm sure Bruan probably is a good guy. Unfortunately, people in sports are still, and always will be trying to find a way (or something) to help make themelves better.

Definately a sad day. I like Bruan.

[70to66]

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I'm thinking if he did them he figured this was their best shot at going all the way and winning the world series, especially not knowing if Fielder would be back. I hope its not true baseball does not need this.

[allstarsplus]

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Let his appeal go through and then make a judgement. His backup sample was negative. Was he taking an over-the-counter supplement? Who knows. Obviously there is a reason for concern but let the process play out.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111211&content_id=26145472&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/135386013.html

[CampWest]

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I wonder if there will be testing at Royals Fantasy Camp next month... I was thinking of going for the full MLB experience and using PEDs. I had decided to play clean, but this development has me thinking everybody must be doing it if even a guy as respected as Ryan Braun thinks its okay, allegedly.

If you need me, I'll be at Gold's Gym ... making contacts...

[kellsox]

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Let his appeal go through and then make a judgement. His backup sample was negative. Was he taking an over-the-counter supplement? Who knows. Obviously there is a reason for concern but let the process play out.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111211&content_id=26145472&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/135386013.html

As far as I read the second test that Braun requested was done after the first one. It was not the same sample taken the same day. Best of luck to him with his appeal. A 4-1 testosterone ratio with the extra testosterone being synthetic doesnt make things look promising for him. Even if he gets the suspension thrown out(which is unlikely in my opinion), his performance will be in question.

[happyyoungster]

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Let his appeal go through and then make a judgement. His backup sample was negative. Was he taking an over-the-counter supplement? Who knows. Obviously there is a reason for concern but let the process play out.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111211&content_id=26145472&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/135386013.html

Intelligently spoken...

[Preston]

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disagree completely w/ the "juicer" label for Braun - granted you never know what these guys are really putting in their bodies, but Braun has been a class act on and off the field, and is a model representation of an MLB team.

"Innocent until proven guilty" means something still, right? I am hoping he wins his appeal because by no means is a failed drug test an absolute, definite "he did something wrong" - UFC fighter Chael Sonnen had his year long suspension reduced to 6 months because he had taken something to increase the testosterone levels in his body - his testosterone to estrogen level was WAY off, but it was something he medically had to take and wasn't being used as a supplement to try to cheat. Hopefully Brauny's the same way. There are exceptions to every rule, however with MLB players being 0 for 11 in appeals, the best Braun probably can hope for is a reduced suspension.

[freddiefreeman5]

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A spokesman for Braun confirmed the positive test Saturday and issued a statement: "There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan's complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program. While Ryan has impeccable character and no previous history, unfortunately, because of the process we have to maintain confidentiality and are not able to discuss it any further, but we are confident he will ultimately be exonerated."

The above statement by his "spokesman" screams guilty.

Read it again carefully.

There is nothing preventing Braun from just saying to the news media and the fans, "I didn't do it."

[CampWest]

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A spokesman for Braun confirmed the positive test Saturday and issued a statement: "There are highly unusual circumstances surrounding this case which will support Ryan's complete innocence and demonstrate there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program. While Ryan has impeccable character and no previous history, unfortunately, because of the process we have to maintain confidentiality and are not able to discuss it any further, but we are confident he will ultimately be exonerated."

The above statement by his "spokesman" screams guilty.

Read it again carefully.

There is nothing preventing Braun from just saying to the news media and the fans, "I didn't do it."

The word I keep getting hung up on is "intentional". Specifically, "there was absolutely no intentional violation of the program." So they are saying he did violate the program, but on accident... huh. Didn't Bonds initially say his was accidental too... then he changed it to, I didn't know what I was taking -- maybe that was Sheffield. I can't keep who said what lie straight.

What I don't understand is how could he be completely innocent while unintentionally violating the program. If someone accidently runs a red light, they are not innocent because they did it unintenionally.