Mastro List Submitted By Doug Allen!

[metsbats]

Re: Mastro List Submitted By Doug Allen

Some words of wisdom from Yoda

[staindsox]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

Yea im a little shocked that something has not been said about it already...

You would think people involved would rather comment on the situation rather than letting people assume what they read is correct,
I find it interesting that because it's in house that nobody has said anything about it.. But just my opinion.. And would like to hear what has to be said..

Guess waiting for the dust to settle...??

Not only are there many large names/auction houses on this list, they are also CURRENTLY ACTIVE AND SELLING in the hobby. I know if I were falsely accused or named in a scandal like this, I would not remain silent. I keep waiting for these people to chime in. If they can't even bother to comment on why their names have appeared in this document, I can only assume there is some level of guilt.

[GMEN92]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

Yea im a little shocked that something has not been said about it already...

You would think people involved would rather comment on the situation rather than letting people assume what they read is correct,
I find it interesting that because it's in house that nobody has said anything about it.. But just my opinion.. And would like to hear what has to be said..

Guess waiting for the dust to settle...??

[bravesfanjd]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

I wish I would have researched all of this 24 hours ago.

I know what you mean unfortunately I feel guu made a huge mistake and chose not to look out for our community.

I know it's a hard job to moderate and run fourms but I always felt this website and net54 were created to protect the collectors not the kingmakers

I hope at some point the questions a lot of us have are answered

Josh

[gingi79]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

I wish I would have researched all of this 24 hours ago.

[metsbats]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

What is mind boggling to me is that on some other forums, mostly the card collecting forums this discussion is 50 some pages long. I thought card collecting was dying out, then at a couple shows I watched card collectors grab unopened boxes of cards and open them like they are eating their first meal in months and with this shows me they still out number game used collectors by a large margin.

These are vintage card collectors. Think high end cards like the Wagner tobacco cards, 52 topps Mantle, vintage complete sets, etc all professionally graded. These types of cards are auctioned off like game used items and were very much exposed to the shill bidding. Mastro did a lot of cards more so than game used which is why this affects cards and game used auctions hence the equal concern from card forums.

[jbean023]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

What is mind boggling to me is that on some other forums, mostly the card collecting forums this discussion is 50 some pages long. I thought card collecting was dying out, then at a couple shows I watched card collectors grab unopened boxes of cards and open them like they are eating their first meal in months and with this shows me they still out number game used collectors by a large margin.

[emann]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

That was Heritage

So if every auction house puts that in their policy, that voids out schilling correct?[/QUOTE]

This is a law which applies to Texas only I believe . . . It isn't just the policy of the auctioneer, it is allowed by law in that state.

Regarding the list: I'm assuming there are more than a few of the people listed multiple times in the victim category that could now pursue civil claims—has this been discussed yet? I haven't followed this case closely as I never bid with the auction houses run by Mastro/etc.

[esigs]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

Read item #13 from Heritage's Terms & Conditions:

http://sports.ha.com/c/ref/terms-and-conditions.zx?view=terms

[jbean023]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

[QUOTE
Don't I remember a post of someone actually reading the full policy of one of the auction houses and it said if we feel an item is undervalued that we may bid or something of that nature? I'm certain I seen that on here awhile ago on a post.

That was Heritage[/QUOTE]

So if every auction house puts that in their policy, that voids out schilling correct?

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

[QUOTE
Don't I remember a post of someone actually reading the full policy of one of the auction houses and it said if we feel an item is undervalued that we may bid or something of that nature? I'm certain I seen that on here awhile ago on a post. [/QUOTE]

That was Heritage

[jbean023]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

This was for sure an interesting read, sad to see what some say is the guy with the best overall Chicago Cubs collection on there many times. Didn't name any names, could be any of them!

Don't I remember a post of someone actually reading the full policy of one of the auction houses and it said if we feel an item is undervalued that we may bid or something of that nature? I'm certain I seen that on here awhile ago on a post.

I'm wondering when someone is going to start looking into mlb auctions!!!

[Eric]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

Here is the NY Daily News story about the shill bidding court document

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/yankees-owner-victim-mastro-auctions-shill-bidding-article-1.2514664

[ndevlin]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

I see both sides- knowing that all of us want to see who was connected with shilling, but one reason I believe it isn't on this thread is to protect those names who were innocent bidders.

[metsbats]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

This list is readily available. When I saw this thread while on my commute home on the bus last night I was able to download it to my iPhone within 10 minutes of searching online. All is being asked that this list not be posted on this thread/site at this point.

Please do not rush to judgement here. The fact that this thread is still opened and was not immediately closed last night should be a positive.