Mastro List Submitted By Doug Allen!

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

[QUOTE
Don't I remember a post of someone actually reading the full policy of one of the auction houses and it said if we feel an item is undervalued that we may bid or something of that nature? I'm certain I seen that on here awhile ago on a post. [/QUOTE]

That was Heritage

[jbean023]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

[QUOTE
Don't I remember a post of someone actually reading the full policy of one of the auction houses and it said if we feel an item is undervalued that we may bid or something of that nature? I'm certain I seen that on here awhile ago on a post.

That was Heritage[/QUOTE]

So if every auction house puts that in their policy, that voids out schilling correct?

[esigs]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

Read item #13 from Heritage's Terms & Conditions:

http://sports.ha.com/c/ref/terms-and-conditions.zx?view=terms

[emann]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

That was Heritage

So if every auction house puts that in their policy, that voids out schilling correct?[/QUOTE]

This is a law which applies to Texas only I believe . . . It isn't just the policy of the auctioneer, it is allowed by law in that state.

Regarding the list: I'm assuming there are more than a few of the people listed multiple times in the victim category that could now pursue civil claims—has this been discussed yet? I haven't followed this case closely as I never bid with the auction houses run by Mastro/etc.

[jbean023]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

What is mind boggling to me is that on some other forums, mostly the card collecting forums this discussion is 50 some pages long. I thought card collecting was dying out, then at a couple shows I watched card collectors grab unopened boxes of cards and open them like they are eating their first meal in months and with this shows me they still out number game used collectors by a large margin.

[metsbats]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

What is mind boggling to me is that on some other forums, mostly the card collecting forums this discussion is 50 some pages long. I thought card collecting was dying out, then at a couple shows I watched card collectors grab unopened boxes of cards and open them like they are eating their first meal in months and with this shows me they still out number game used collectors by a large margin.

These are vintage card collectors. Think high end cards like the Wagner tobacco cards, 52 topps Mantle, vintage complete sets, etc all professionally graded. These types of cards are auctioned off like game used items and were very much exposed to the shill bidding. Mastro did a lot of cards more so than game used which is why this affects cards and game used auctions hence the equal concern from card forums.

[gingi79]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

I wish I would have researched all of this 24 hours ago.

[bravesfanjd]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

I wish I would have researched all of this 24 hours ago.

I know what you mean unfortunately I feel guu made a huge mistake and chose not to look out for our community.

I know it's a hard job to moderate and run fourms but I always felt this website and net54 were created to protect the collectors not the kingmakers

I hope at some point the questions a lot of us have are answered

Josh

[GMEN92]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

Yea im a little shocked that something has not been said about it already...

You would think people involved would rather comment on the situation rather than letting people assume what they read is correct,
I find it interesting that because it's in house that nobody has said anything about it.. But just my opinion.. And would like to hear what has to be said..

Guess waiting for the dust to settle...??

[staindsox]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

Yea im a little shocked that something has not been said about it already...

You would think people involved would rather comment on the situation rather than letting people assume what they read is correct,
I find it interesting that because it's in house that nobody has said anything about it.. But just my opinion.. And would like to hear what has to be said..

Guess waiting for the dust to settle...??

Not only are there many large names/auction houses on this list, they are also CURRENTLY ACTIVE AND SELLING in the hobby. I know if I were falsely accused or named in a scandal like this, I would not remain silent. I keep waiting for these people to chime in. If they can't even bother to comment on why their names have appeared in this document, I can only assume there is some level of guilt.

[metsbats]

Re: Mastro List Submitted By Doug Allen

Some words of wisdom from Yoda

[kellsox]

Re: Mastro Shill Bid list!

It is easy for the site/forum that is a significant vehicle of advertising for an auction house to preach patience while auctions were running/concluding.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Mastro List Submitted By Doug Allen

I am aware, as is Ken, that his name appears as a consignor on the list made public by Doug Allen as part of his attempt to reduce his jail sentence. Ken will not be discussing this matter on any public forum, a matter that is over eight years old and references when he was a private collector five years before Goldin Auctions was formed. However, if it is important for you to hear from him, he will discuss this matter personally with you and has done so with a number of members already. His email address is Ken@GoldinAuctions.com.

I also want to ensure our friends, consignors, bidders and business partners that this list has nothing to do with the current business of Goldin Auctions. When founded in the summer of 2012, Goldin Auctions was built with the interests of bidders and consignors in mind. From its beginning, it was explained to me that Goldin Auctions has implemented extensive ethics, rules and compliance safeguards built in to protect bidders and consignors including:

1. Goldin Auction employees do not have access to maximum bids. Our auction software provider has turned off, at our request, our ability to see your proxy/ceiling bids. A maximum bid placed online will never be known or seen by us in order to hold our auction process to the highest industry standards. This is for both bidder and consignor protection.

2. Goldin does not have access to passwords. While that can often cause an inconvenience when someone forgets their password, it gives bidders the assurance that their account is safe.

3. Goldin has a reserve system. We state the rules on reserves, and they are posted online. This avoids issues of hidden reserves or using shill bidding to meet a hidden reserve.

4. We use the highest authenticity procedures in the business. We will not sell non-authenticated items; we do not issue our own LOAs; we rely on the most respected industry experts for all authentications. In addition, as many of you know, even with these procedures in place we will still routinely pull items during an auction if there is a third-party authenticator error. Further, as many of you have experienced, when concern over an item is brought to our attention we are extremely responsive to any questions.

5. We implement limited credits for any new bidders. We do not give new bidders unlimited bidding rights with us when they register. We restrict them with a strict bidding limit until they have been proven to be credit worthy and legitimate users. Even with other auction references, we still place limits on most bidders initially to protect all other auction bidders and consignors.

For a complete list of our compliance rules, you can click the link below:

https://www.goldinauctions.com/rules.aspx

When I joined Goldin Auctions in February 2013, I researched the way the company was established and made a post as to why I was joining Goldin Auctions. As you know from my creating Game Used Universe in 2005, the credibility of the industry is of utmost importance to me and I will only associate with an entity I believe is committed to consistently doing what is right. I do not feel anything has changed with regard to Goldin Auctions. If it did, I would not continue in my position with them.

Sincerely,
Chris

[Guttapercha]

Re: Mastro List Submitted By Doug Allen!

If I may give my opinion. I have met both Chris and Ken over the years as a consigner and seller. The people at Goldin auctions have gone above and beyond in helping with my collecting quest. I have never had a problem. Ken has gone way above his time and professionalism to help in teaching, discussing, and guiding me with game used items, many of which were not even in his auctions!
He works his butt off in promoting your items and gets top dollar for doing so.

[5toolplayer]

Re: Mastro List Submitted By Doug Allen!

Just my 2 cents in looking over this really quick, Case is over 8+ years old and Doug Allen would have thrown Shoeless Joe Jackson's name into the list if that is what his legal team advised him to do to help reduce his sentence.

I'm only going to go off of my dealings with both Ken & Chris & the Goldin Auctions staff. Nothing but professionalism and respect each and every time I've done business with them. Ken has gone above and beyond more then once to make sure I'm taken care of even when its over a small error in the listing or something in that nature.

They have been top notch since the first day I consigned item #1 with them and I'll continue to support them because I have no reason not to.