New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

**psmachetti** · 12-10-2005, 01:35 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Sorry. Hope this is not a stupid question but what is a pro cut jersey?
Paul

**trsent** · 12-10-2005, 03:03 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Originally posted by psmachetti

Sorry. Hope this is not a stupid question but what is a pro cut jersey?

I do not know what Websters states, but these jerseys are tagged just as the players who wear them on the field do. They are identical, down to patches, size tagging, extra length tagging, etc. That is my definition of "Pro-Cut".

**trsent** · 12-16-2005, 01:16 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Thanks to all who have ordered from us recently. Just a note, any orders made and paid for by December 20th will be delivered by December 24th.

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas!

**ripkengamers** · 12-16-2005, 05:57 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Joel,
With all due respect, what will provent anyone purchasing these "game cut" jerseys from turning them around and selling them as game "used" if they are exact in every way? Isn't that what this forum is trying to thwart??

**kingjammy24** · 12-16-2005, 06:33 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

In reality, you've got to wonder why someone would pay $2600
for a "pro-cut" jersey. Seriously. I can see someone paying $200 or $300 for the fun of displaying it or wearing it around like a Mitchell & Ness jersey. But are you really gonna pay $2600 for a 'fun jersey'? In all likelihood, you're paying $2600 because you know you can turn it into $4000 with almost no work. $1400 profit just for listing it on Ebay.
If you're truly interested in Yankees jerseys, you could pay the same amount or a smidge more and get a Yankees game-used jersey from Steiner. $3k for World-Series game-used Mendoza or Neagle. Just $400 more for the real deal that actually saw World Series action. Or for $2600 or under you could get game-used Tom Gordon, Ramiro Mendoza, Miguel Cairo, Enrique Wilson, Tanyon Sturtze, etc jerseys from Steiner. A jersey that saw action or one that didn't. Isn't that the entire point?
Let's say I'm not gonna be too shocked when a "World-Series game-used Matsui" shows up on Ebay in a couple weeks for $4k. I have little doubt that Joel will sell these very quickly even at those prices. It's easy money for others out there. While the prices are high, they're still not nearly as high as what they could sell for as "game used". And after a few weeks, who's going to be able to tell the difference?

Rudy.

**trsent** · 12-16-2005, 07:47 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

I am happy to discuss the topic.

First off, another company was selling similar jerseys for as much as ten times the prices. Now, I am in business just like everyone else, and I was able to obtain similar jerseys and sell them for reasonable prices based on this fact.

I cannot police the industry and I feel some of the comments are stating that I am selling jerseys as pro-cut for the purpose of being re-sold as game used. That is in no way true. Needless to say, the market for these jerseys is strong due to the fact that they just don't exist.

I cannot control if someone buys a jersey from me what they do with it. I attempt to run an honest business, and if someone told me they were buying a jersey with the intention of doctoring the jersey I would use discretion. I believe in the hobby, but I also know there are about 11,000 listings on eBay right now for "authentic" or "pro-cut" jerseys, so I know if I am not selling such items, there will always be someone selling them.

I have sold pro-cut jerseys that came right from a locker room that I was told the jersey was not worn. I sold the item as exactly what it was, what more can I do? Even the NFL sells pro-cut jerseys right to the public.

**kingjammy24** · 12-16-2005, 08:01 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

joel,

what more can you do? easy..take a sharpie and write "pro cut"
on the tag. watch how quickly sales plummet.
afterall, fans who just wanna wear them or hang them won't mind so much. it's the people who are re-selling them as "game worn" who you'll be hurting.

rudy.

**trsent** · 12-16-2005, 08:47 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Originally posted by kingjammy24

what more can you do? easy..take a sharpie and write "pro cut"

Ok, I'll agree once the other 11,000 listings on eBay do the same.

**bigtime59** · 12-17-2005, 10:03 AM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

THE TEMTATION OF THE ME:
I once had the opportunity to purchase several Orioles team-unissued jerseys for players who went to spring training but didn't make the club. They had names on the back, but no numbers. One was a size 48+2". I looked at the guy I was purchasing them from, and said "this could be a 'Ripken' jersey tomorrow, and be woth $1500, easy." He said "yeah, and when it was found out, your reputation would be shot." I sold 'em as is, and wrote the players name they were intended for under the 100% poly tag on all of em, and "not worn" on the interior laundry tags. One of those jerseys STILL wound up being converted into a "Ripken" gamer by its purchaser. I could see the orange bleeding through the 100% poly tag in the eBay photos!
That, and poverty, is why I never buy "superstar" jerseys from anybody...and if I HAD the $$$, would only buy direct from the team, or a source like Meigray.

**psmachetti** · 12-17-2005, 11:19 AM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

So basically it's an authentic game style jersey, patches , tags and all but it's not a team issued jersey and there is no connection to the club at all???? Sorry but there's something wrong with this!!!! $2500 plus for what basically amounts to an authentic jersey????? UN- FREAKIN' BELIEVABLE!!!!!! You've got to be out of your mind to dump that kind of cash on these jerseys!!!! HEY! Shipping is included in the price.That's OK then. Pretty magnanimous on the part of the seller.
Paul.

**trsent** · 12-17-2005, 11:25 AM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

So, when Steiner sells a similar jersey as team-issued for $25,000.00 what is the buyer's state of mind then? If they are out of their mind for me, there must be a higher level.

**larry bourget** · 12-17-2005, 12:50 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

I have a 2003 Authentic/Sample road grey #20 Posada size 48, with size tag in collar, with World Series & 100 yr.Yankees anniversary sleeve patches, No "R" on sleeve, and a grey embroidered tag that reads " POSADA 20-48-03" above jock tag,.....includes original invoice from Russel/Majestic Athletic., that i purchased directly.

$250. U.S. delivered if anyone is interested, as is, All Sales Final.

regards,
Larry

**kingjammy24** · 12-19-2005, 05:10 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Joel,

It seems the yuletide season has brought out your sense of humor!
I chuckled at your disingenuous feigning that you simply don't know "what more you can do" to help prevent fraudulent use of your jerseys. When I offered a quick, simple, and free way for you to help tackle fraud in this "hobby you believe in", you responded by essentially saying you'll "start helping when 11,000 others start helping" along with the delightfully infantile cry of "but everyone else is doing it!". Well Joel, I guess since every single person in this hobby won't help, that means you certainly can't do your part. If others are hurting the hobby, you may as well join in the profiteering too right? Brilliant.
Thank goodness Barry Meisel didn't go to the Joel Alpert School of Logic. He actually did something that others weren't doing - database-accessible, jersey-unique, permanent tagging. A computerized version of writing "Game Issued" or "Pro Cut" on a jersey, thus preventing future fraud of the jerseys he sells. Whereas Joel Alpert weeps "what more can I do?", Barry Meisel actually does something. I suppose some people don't feel a lack of action is justified by the behaviour of 11,000 Ebay scammers.

Regardless, I've had a little too much eggnog and chocolate so please take it easy on my poor stomach by uttering nauseating drivel like
your claim that Steiner sells game-issued jerseys like yours for $25k. For $25k Steiner will sell you a game-USED Jeter or for $30k you'll get a World-Series USED Clemens. Show me a game-ISSUED Steiner for $25k.

By the way, when you mentioned "if someone told me they were buying a jersey with the intention of doctoring the jersey I would use discretion" I'm assuming the sort of 'discretion' you meant is you'd tell them to be sure not to mention your name in the Ebay listing?

Rudy.

**trsent** · 12-19-2005, 06:20 PM

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Hey Rudy, I know you have never liked me, but I am doing nothing wrong selling game issued jerseys. There are over 11,000 such jerseys for sale currently on eBay, why pick on me. I am not going to write in any jersey I sell and possibly lose a sale.

You want to police the hobby, but attack me when I do something wrong, not when I am selling legitimate items and I am not willing to take a market and write on the jersey for you.

Seriously, you know I take everything tongue-in-cheek, but you also know that I take pride in my business and I am not selling jerseys for the purpose of them being doctored - I have a right to sell legitimate items such as this.

Your last sentence really puts me down, I received a phone call from a high profile member of this forum (no, I will not mention names so don't ask) who has bought these jerseys from me in the past to sell to customers as game issued, and he told me not to let this community get me down over these. Nothing is being sold as game used, and I am not selling them with any intentions of them being re-sold as used. That is really BS that you comment that I'd protect someone from doing this.

Everyone knows that GAME USED Yankees jerseys from the past five years do not exist without letters from Steiner or The Yankees, so if anyone tried to sell such an item on eBay their auction would be ended immediately by eBay.

Sorry, I do not know what more you want from me. I follow the rules and I do not know why I am being put down over this.

Rudy, since we argued a few years ago I really thought we had buried the hatchet. I respect you and your work on this forum and I would like the same respect in return.

Happy Holidays!

New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

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