New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

[trsent]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

I have a 2003 Authentic/Sample road grey #20 Posada size 48, with size tag in collar, with World Series & 100 yr.Yankees anniversary sleeve patches, No "R" on sleeve, and a grey embroidered tag that reads " POSADA 20-48-03" above jock tag,.....includes original invoice from Russel/Majestic Athletic., that i purchased directly.

$250. U.S. delivered if anyone is interested, as is, All Sales Final.

Nice jersey, but by the way, the Yankees never wore a jersey such as this with the embroidered tags and size tags in the collar during such era.

Happy Holidays!

[larry bourget]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

I know, but's still a beauty for $250. if anyones interested.

Larry

[trsent]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

I know, but's still a beauty for $250. if anyones interested.

Cool

[BULBUS]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Steiner is crazy, but not $25k crazy. You can get game issued jerseys from Steiner at a better price than you are asking. Game issued, made for the palyers, but never made it out of their locker, not "pro-cut". And they come with a letter of authenticity from Yankees-Steiner Collectibles. You are asking $1250 for a Posada jersey, Steiner is asking $1000:

http://www.steinersports.com/ssm/control/product/~pcategory=/~category=/~pid=POSAJJERGI2004HO

If you give them a call, they pretty much have any recent player, year, ect. you want. And you can get them even cheaper on their auctions or if you negotiate.

[flaco1801]

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[psmachetti]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

So, when Steiner sells a similar jersey as team-issued for $25,000.00 what is the buyer's state of mind then? If they are out of their mind for me, there must be a higher level.

Comparing yourself to Steiner doesn't make your point. Steiner Sports is a freakin' joke. Their prices for game jerseys , GI jerseys etc. are a disgrace. Now Larry Bourget has the right idea. At least his is a sales man's sample. A lot closer to the real thing than yours is and his is 10X cheaper.
Paul

[psmachetti]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

[quote=trsent]I am happy to discuss the topic.

and I was able to obtain similar jerseys and sell them for reasonable prices based on this fact.

You call $2,500 for what amounts to an authentic jersey reasonable? OH MAN!!!!! This is why I deal w/private collectors and not dealers and auction houses. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Paul

[trsent]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Are you folks done complaining? You don't (and are not going to) buy my product, so stop complaining and all will be fine. The accusations are insane, so I cannot continue to argue over me selling product. If you don't like it, don't buy it, but stop the complaining.

Tell me when I am selling a product that is not legitimate and I'll work with you. Don't tell me when I am selling a valid product that you have a problem because the last few posts have been out of line.

Really, who made you Gods who tell me that I am selling a product only for the purpose of people re-selling it as not what I sold it as? That is out of line - Welcome to reality - I can't police the hobby, but I have a right to sell legitimate merchandise. As a seller, I can set my price.

Oh wait, sounds like the Steiner debate. They set their prices, if you don't like it don't buy it. Why whine so much?

Happy Holidays!

[flaco1801]

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[trsent]

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This guy has really proved to us that he is GOD of the world and his views should be taken litterally because he knows fricking everying. Get real - I have done nothing wrong and I am selling jerseys for legimate re-sale as exactly what I am selling them as. WHO MADE YOU KING TO SAY WHAT MY INTENTIONS ARE?

Get a life, because you are out of line.

Happy Holidays!

[trsent]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

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[Eric]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Hey everyone

I was hoping I wouldn't have to get involved in this thread but it has crossed the line.

There is no need for fighting in this thread and no place for fighting on the board.

It is not fair to criticize Joel for what the buyer MAY do with the game cut jerseys.

It would be like criticizing someone for selling a #55 Ramiro Mendoza Yankees game used jersey because the buyer could manipulate it to look like a #55 Hideki Matsui game used jersey.

I would say in this case if you don't like Joel's prices, don't buy the jerseys, but it seems unreasonable to criticize him the way some of you are.

And for those who say discussing game issued jerseys does not fit on this site, I respectfully disagree. It is a part of the hobby and the subject of those who buy game cuts and sell them as game worn is a legitimate issue. I just don't think Joel is what's wrong here.

For those who say these can be sold as game used, I ask you- would you buy current Yankees game used items which didn't come with a steiner letter?

Interested in any feedback
Eric

[kingjammy24]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Eric: Speaking solely for myself, I agree that it's not fair to criticize Joel simply for selling game-cuts (regardless of the price). I also agree that it's not fair to criticize him for what his buyers may do with his jerseys. I never criticized him for either of these. What I do feel is fair to criticize him for is for failing to take extremely simple measures to prevent the fraudulent use of his jerseys. An analogy: You can't blame Smith & Wesson for selling guns. You can't blame them if one of their buyer's children starts playing with one of their guns and accidentally shoots someone. You CAN blame them for failing to install a safety lock which would greatly deter the mis-use of their product.
Another analogy: If your credit card was stolen and used by the thief, I think you would be angry at your credit card company if they took absolutely no measures to cover you in such a situation. Instead, credit card companies put signatures & photos on cards and they monitor atypical usage patterns. You can't blame them that the card was stolen and used fraudulently, but you CAN blame them for taking no measures to help prevent this fraudulent use. The credit card companies know this and that's why they've taken those measures. This is just common sense.
I think anyone has to take a reasonable measure to help prevent mis-use, especially when large sums of money are at stake. Taking a $1 Sharpie and writing "PC" on the tag is a reasonable measure.
As for his prices, I don't think that's an issue. Personally, I think it's pretty funny if Steiner, of all companies, is undercutting him on these jerseys. I didn't think it was possible for Steiner to undercut anyone.
I agree with you in that if you feel his prices are too high, then don't buy. It's a free market system.
Re: your last question about buying Yankees items without a Steiner letter. I would not buy a Yankees item without a Steiner letter but you can't compare the GameUsedForum crowd to the Ebay crowd. Eric, they'll buy some of the worst stuff I've ever seen. I've seen 20 bids on jerseys with retail tagging.

Rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

Joel,

Re: your pricing: I don't think your pricing is an issue worth discussing. It's a free market and anyone is free to sell for what they like. The only point I would make is simply that if someone is paying $2600 for a game-cut, then their true intent with the jersey is made more obvious.

Re: your game-cuts.
As I mentioned in my post to Eric, I find nothing wrong with you selling game-cuts. I think game-cuts have a certain legitimate place in the hobby. I also don't blame you because some of your buyers may turn around and sell your jerseys as game-used. It would be idiotic of me to blame you for either of those things. The real issue at hand is your earlier statement that there is nothing more you can do to help prevent fraud.
You know this statement is dead-wrong. At this point, you know very well what you can do. You have made the conscious decision to explicitly refuse to take those measures because you feel you would lose sales. That's fine. That's pretty much the long and short of it. I have no problems with you saying that you understand that your jerseys may be used fraudulently and you are fully aware of what you can do to help prevent such things but you refuse to do it because it would reduce your profits. At least it's honest.
I am interested in why Barry Meisel chose to take a different approach though. That is, I imagine at some point Barry sold Game-Issued jerseys with no "Meigray/Inventory tagging". Hypothetically speaking, in those days I could've purchased a Game-Issued from Barry, washed it 30 times, and sold it as a Game-Worn for substantially more. As soon as Barry began recording individual jerseys and tagging the unique ID's on them, I could no longer have engaged in my scam. Furthermore, I would no longer buy from Barry because his pieces would've made it very difficult for me to run my scam. I'm sure he was aware that he lost some sales due to it. I suppose he personally felt that preventing fraud outweighed his lost profits. That was a personal decision for him though. For you, you made the personal decision that you value sales over preventing fraud. I don't blame you for making that decision. Just don't come out and say there's nothing more you can do. Simply say you're aware of what you could do but you refuse because you place a greater value on profits.

Rudy.

[flaco1801]

Re: New York Yankees Pro-Cut Jerseys For Sale (Matsui, Clemens, A-Rod, Jeter, Posada)

eric, you cried like a baby when you bought game cuts from that dealer as game worn. thats probably why you started this forum. you have some nerve saying to people dont buy em if ya dont like em, your suppose to be the sheriff around here, but you edit my comments. your buddy digs up my one and only wanted post to try and ridicule me and you delete my post shame on you. you wont be happy when some of his pro cuts come back to this forum as bought on ebay as real. i wonder what your gonna say then? this is game worn not pro cuts, these fakes have a place and its not here. you didnt like getting ripped off but your allowing others the same privelidge in the future. its time you looked in the mirror.