AMI Dan Marino

[DR.P]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

The Throwback jersey Dan Marino wore against the Vikings in 1994 is owned by Pat Catello and is on display in the Dolphins Hall of Fame. It is unwashed and has a mark on the back #1 almost like a fold, clearly noticable on the game film and on some cards as well. Catello also has the Jets jersey which is also unwashed, full of DIRT stains all over it and matched up to the game throughout all 4 quarters! One jersey worn in both games and neither one is the jersey that AMI is offering! Talked to his agent and was told he may address this issue on his radio show this Monday night.

[lund6771]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Last night I had he chance to view the Dolphins game vs the Jets in Miami...with 100% ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY I can tell you that Marino DID NOT wear the AMI jersey in this game...

I viewed every dolphins offensive series' from both halves to make sure that there wasn't any jersey switching throughout the game...

Here the issues that are absolutely conclusive:

1. In the video, Marino's right sleeve was cut wide open...aka flared open...Difficult to tell from AMI's photo, but their discreption states that both sleeves are open

2. In the video the Wilson logo on the left sleeve does indeed touch the #1...The AMI Marino has white spacing between the two

3. The pattern of the stripes on the sleeves is also different. The AMI shirt has equal sepration between the orange, white, and green...the video shows that the orange stripe is almost touching the green stripe...just like Ducks' picture shows

4. Marino is definitely wearing a jersey with mesh shoulders....the AMI is of dazzle cloth....this one alone disqualifies the AMI shirt

5. Also the bottom of the "V" in the collar difinitely hits the horizontal seem in the video..The AMI shirt does not


Once I get the chance, I will view the game against the Vikings and post the results...

[lund6771]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

will do Dave...but I think you should start a new thread on that one

Pete

[CollectGU]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Good news....the videos that I ordered last week from the 2 games just came to my office...I will view them when I get the chance later and post back

Pete,

Can you also look into the Stoyanovich jersey mentioned in the thread that is being offered by Jim Yackel and let us know if it matches the Minnesota game. We know it doesn't match the Jets game already...

Thanks,
Dave

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Helmet was $33k...sorry.

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Check this out. This is from American heritage Galleries in Dallas. The reason I post this with photos is because description said it was obtained directly from Pat Catello w/ LOA from Lampson. It is an 85 jersey...and it went for under $6k. My question is......how does an 85 Game Used jersey go for under $6k if it is from Catello ? I am looking for rational of people submitting responses that if the 94TB jersey was an actual gamer it would have went for a whole lot more. This is the most expensive Marino game jersey I have seen. I read where someone said they would pay $20k for a Marino gamer. I have trouble believing that and I have not seen the market dictate a price for a Marino jersey.

I am looking for feedback because as I have indicated in other postings, I am interested in Marino and Dolphin Game Used items from impeccable sources. I am trying to determine what is range for such items. Your responses are appreciated.

Below is ad for jersey. Note: they sold SB helmet for a little over $20k



1985 Dan Marino Game Worn Jersey. The earliest Dan Marino jersey we've ever handled, and certainly the finest as well. Thi...
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Sold for: $5,377.50 (includes BP) Bid Source: Internet
Ended: May 5, 2006
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Auction Name: 2006 May (HSC) Signature Auction #704
Auction Type: Signature (The floor auction is being held in Dallas, TX on Saturday, May 6, 2006. Online bidding ends at 10:00PM CT the night before the floor session for this lot. Your secret maximum bid will compete for you during the floor auction, and it is possible that you may be outbid on the floor after internet bidding closes.)
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1985 Dan Marino Game Worn Jersey. The earliest Dan Marino jersey we've ever handled, and certainly the finest as well. This spectacular white mesh Miami Dolphins gamer dates from the newly inducted Hall of Famer's third season in the League and shows appropriate quarterback wear, with some contact "dings" particularly noticeable on the rear nameplate. The jersey body is white mesh, which has discolored somewhat over the years. It has a cotton stretch ribbed v-neck and a full compliment of sleeve stripes. As was Marino's styling fashion during his early career, the sleeves have been cut right to the edge of the lowermost sleeve stripe. The alpha and numeric identifiers are correct in their screened-on application. The numerals are aqua and orange and the mesh nameplate features "Marino" in single color aqua, plain block font. The font was unique to the Dolphins at the time and the plate is in proper position approximately 1/4" above the major horizontal transverse seam. All identifiers and correct in their size, position, color hues, font style and affixing style. The lower left front tail sports the "Russell Athletic" red, white and blue label in size "XL." Most Dolphins' jerseys of the era sported labels with non-numeric size designators. Marino has autographed the jersey on the back numeral in perfect black sharpie, and provided an inscription referring to 1985 gamer status and year stats, reading "1985 Season, 4137 YD / 30 TD." Obtained in the 1990's at the height of "screened-on" hysteria from Dolphins' equipment assistant and guru Pat Catello. LOA from Lou Lampson. LOA from PSA/DNA.

[lund6771]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Wow...great photo find that proves he is wearing this style jersey. Pete I would like to see this supposed video you have that disputes this picture.

Regards,
Dave

Good news....the videos that I ordered last week from the 2 games just came to my office...I will view them when I get the chance later and post back

[genius]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Just a quick comment to say that I am finding this thread to be very fascinating. The possibility of two jerseys during a game is a great twist to this "hunt"!

[mvandor]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Look at the W's verticle placement on Marino's left shoulder, it's higher in the pic than on the AMI, or at least appears that way to me.

However, I agree there could be multiple jerseys involved over those two games...

[Eric]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

[Eric]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Here's a shot of the Marino with the contrast levels changed. Does this help establish where the 'v' touches the horizontal shoulder seam?

[G1X]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Here are several issues to ponder:
1. Can anyone tell for sure from the auction house photos (or asked the question during the auction) whether the auctioned jersey has satin shoulders or mesh shoulders?
2. Does the bottom tip of the "V" of the neck collar of the auctioned jersey touch the horizontal shoulder seam as seen in the Getty photo from the Jets game and ducksdukes photo, or is there a gap?
3. Has anyone established for a fact that Marino wore only one jersey in the Jets throwback game, and only one jersey in the Vikings throwback game the following week? (Players have been known to change at halftime.)

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
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[Eric]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

There appears to be no separation on AMI jersey. but look at photos of back of jersey. That is what I was referring to earlier, it can be deceptive to look at jersey and not take into consideration that separation will be more evident when stretched with pads. The photo of the back of the jersey shows separation.

Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. Looking at the AMI jersey, the stripes on the left sleeve (if you were wearing the jersey, it would be your left sleeve) are evenly screened.

The right sleeve, if you were wearing the jersey had the stripes screened slightly off.

Those match the corresponding sides in the shot of the back of the ami jersey.

And they don't match the corresponding sleeve in the autographed photo you were kind enough to post.

To say it a different way, the spacing on the stripes on Dan Marino's left sleeve in the autographed photo don't match the photo of the ami jersey

[genius]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

The "W" looks to be touching the orange outline of the number in the game photo. Looking at the back of the jersey in the auction listing, there looks to be a space between the W and the number on the left sleeve. A great jersey though even if it wasn't actually worn!

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

There appears to be no separation on AMI jersey. but look at photos of back of jersey. That is what I was referring to earlier, it can be deceptive to look at jersey and not take into consideration that separation will be more evident when stretched with pads. The photo of the back of the jersey shows separation.