AMI Dan Marino

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Re: AMI Dan Marino

I hate to keep posting, but I should have done this in last post. Here are two pics next to each other. Marino vs. Vikes in 94 and AMI jersey. I also attached the 84 pic which served as model for 94 TB jersey. The right sleeve on Marino v. Vikes pic is the best to view sleeve striping. The left sleeve on AMI photo is the best.

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Re: AMI Dan Marino

The 94 TB jerseys used in the Vikings game was a TB to the 1984 Dolphins. Here is a photo of Dan on sideline. Of course the jerseys are not identical but the sleeve pattern is the same: Green white orange white green white orange white green. Just FYI.

I am curious about confirmation of identity of equipment manager.

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

The right sleeve is optimal for the sleeve striping pattern.

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Lund6771,

The photo I posted of Marino is from 9-25-04 Vikings game. I printed the photo and used a magnifying glass. Look carefully, the photo shows the sleeve pattern as follows:
1. green
2.white
3. orange
4. white
5. green
6. white
7. orange
8.white
9. green

This is the same pattern as the AMI jersey. Bottom line is I am not trying to convince you. I am not defending AMI. I cannot confirm that the AMI jersey is the jersey that Dan had on his back. I am a collector. I think the golden rule in collecting is that collect what you love and if you have any question about an item, do not purchase it. You may be right, however the photos of the jersey match....in my humble opinion.

Does anyone have any info on equipment trainer who signed Dolphins COA. I am sure the 94 or 95 media guide identifies Equipment Managers and Assistant Equipment Managers. That information would be helpful.

Anyway, this thread may have run its course. Lund 6771 I appreciate your posts and think dialogue serves us all well.

Per my earlier email:
I am interested in Dan Marino game used items from impeccable source.....also collecting Roger Clemens game used items.

[genius]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

In my opinion, worst-case scenario is that this is a team game-issued 1994 NFL throwback jersey to the exact specifications that were worn on the field minus cutting the sleeves, with some nice paperwork to back up the value. I doubt there are many jerseys like it and I think the final selling price would be worth it to some folks out there even if the sleeves weren't cut and Marino didn't actually wear it. For example, I'm from Pittsburgh and I've seen a lot of Lemieux so-called team issues (with no paperwork) go for about $1K and though I'm not an expert, $3K for a true team-issue Marino 94 throwback with team paperwork may be pricey but perhaps not unreasonable. The 94 throwbacks were cool! I think this Marino is a pretty good item and though AMI gets a fair amount of bashing here, I don't have too much of a problem with them deferring to the team paperwork considering the difficulty finding proof one way or another. Absolute conclusive evidence showing that it WAS a game worn item probably would have been reflected in a higher selling price. I hope the buyer liked the item, in the end that's what really matters, again in my opinion. Thanks!

[lund6771]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

This is the last time I'm posting on this topic...

Ducks...look at the pattern on Marino's right sleeve in the pic of the Vikes game closely...

from the bottom of the sleeve, the color bands go in this order:

1. green
2. white
3.orange
4. white
5. green

the sleeve pattern shirt that AMI did sell was as follows:

1. green
2.white
3. orange
4. white
5. green
6. white
7. orange
8.white
9. green

So, this eliminates the Vikings game...Ducks, the pic from the Jets game is only a head shot...the only thing that can be verified from this pic is that it correctly does not have the NFL shield...just because the shield is absent does not make the whole shirt a match!!!!...

I'm telling you guys...The Marino shirt from the Jets game does match the
Vikings shirt...and both don't match the AMI shirt

I think this forums accuracy is incredible and it's a good way for collectors to watch out for each other from all the scams out there...And there seem to be more scam artists in this hobby than in some dark alley...Mark, are you a dealer or a collector?......

I'm not preaching on a soap box...I call 'em as I see 'em...I don't have all day to e-mail people with issues within their own business...they can read it here for themselves...If you got a problem with that, request to have me banned...my motivation is to not see people getting screwed over

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Unless you obtain game used equipment directly from the athlete after a game it is impossible to 100% guarantee that the equipment was game used. Even COA from a team can be subject to scrutiny because you have to trust the reputation of the source.

Of course some equipment can be ruled out because of obvious irregularity. I have not seen any irregularity and/or discrepancy with the AMI Marino jersey to suggest it is anything less than what it purports to be. The photographs demonstrate that the AMI jersey is consistent with the photo of Marino during the Vikings game. This was a game that the TB Dolphin jerseys were used. The patch placement is the same, the sleeve striping is the same, the lack of the NFL logo shield is consistent and the W (Wilson logo) is in the proper position. Based upon the description of the item the collar has appropriate Wilson tagging, sleeves are cut to Marino specs with diamond pattern under the arms. Of course we would need to see the jersey to confirm the description with respect to these qualities but based upon what is visible between photographs, I do not see anything that constitutes an obvious flaw. If I missed something that is open and obvious, please advise.

With respect to video evidence, again it would have to be open and obvious. I am not sure how you can gauge sleeve length (unless huge discrepancy) without having the actual jersey instead of photo.

I believe the exchange of information is beneficial and thus we allow people to make informed decisions.

[G1X]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

I have yet to view any concrete evidence in this Forum that Marino either did or did not wear the jersey in question. Further, I have not seen where any accuser has followed Forum rules and contacted the Seller with their concerns.

As previously stated, I could not care less about this jersey. However, I do care about the integrity of this Forum, and I find it terribly irresponsible to come here and make accusations without providing proof or following Forum rules.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

[lund6771]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Ducks...there is no question that Marino did not wear this shirt in either of the 2 throwback games....unless the guy that I use for video matching drank 30 beers that night and his eyes played tricks on him when looking at the sleeves

anyways...it won't make any diiference...auction is over with...just like their previous auction showed that there was a fake Brett Favre sold and we still haven't heard if there was a refund offered then

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

Always looking for authentic Dan Marino game used items from impeccable sources. Cleats, jerseys, shoes, helmets, wristbands. Thanks

[lund6771]

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I know someone who has an incredible video collection of NFL dvd's...let's put it this way, all most all of them...most of my collection is video matched

Whenever I am interested in a jersey I contact this person and purchase a dvd from him to attempt to video match football jerseys...

I e-mailed a close-up of the AMI jersey to him and asked him if he would match the sleeves for me...after looking at videos from both games he said that sleeves were much shorter in BOTH games than the AMI offered shirt...

I contemplated spending the almost $50.00 to post video links showing this...then I quickly realized a few things...chances are that the purchaser of the jersey would never be contacted and in 3 days this thread would be forgotten about...so why would I waste $50?...just to prove a shirt is no good that I'm not interested in purchasing?

How bout this....if AMI is interested in the 2 videos, to video match the Marino, I'm sure that the $50 to them would be $ well spent...I think video matching for style & wear would add a lot more value to this jersey than the $50.00...

I'm sure their buyer would be ecstatic!!!!

What do you say AMI...wanna buy the videos?

[ducksdukes]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

[quote=Eric;56089]The Miami Dolphins wore the 1972 replica jerseys against the Minnesota Vikings. Hard to tell if the sleeves match.

Note: The TB worn during 1994 are not 72 Dolphin TB jerseys but actually 84-85 TB jerseys. The jersey in question has identical 84-85 sleeve striping. Hope this helps.

[G1X]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

P.S. I should practice what I preach (refer to my THIRD item in the last post). I'll leave it to you to find the typo!

[G1X]

Re: AMI Dan Marino

It is difficult to see the sleeve-stripe pattern on Marino's jersey in the photo from the Vikings game. Who knows if Marino wore a different jersey in the Jets game (or more than one jersey in either game). We have had several folks in this thread be quick to criticize the legitimacy of the Marino jersey, but they have yet to provide visual evidence supporting their claim.

Personally, I have no comment on the authenticity of this jersey one way or the other because I am not interested in buying it so I have not bothered to perform any due dilligence. What does concern me is that there has been a lot of innuendo and 43 posts on this jersey, yet there is not one piece of solid evidence supporting either side of the argument.

Here are my thoughts. If you truly believe that an items is not what it is claimed to be, FIRST gather evidence and facts suporting your claim. SECOND, follow Forum rules and contact the Seller before posting in this Forum. THIRD, if you cannot follow these rules, the least thing you can do is carefully read what you have just written before hitting the "Submit Reply" button.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

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Re: AMI Dan Marino

Oops! Here is Singleton photo.