Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

[chakes89]

Re: Doesn't T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Vick did his time. He paid his debt to society. But he was killing society.

Killing society?

Last time I checked, Dogs aren't people and shouldn't be treated like such

They are animals that can turn on you at any time with dangerous results

Vick was/is a victim of his environment but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have been held accountable for what he did

I place more blame on his parents and the people that guided him throughout his life until now more than I blame Vick for what was done

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Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

[quote=nyjetsfan14;142157][quote=earlywynnfan;142109]Also, didn't Ray Lewis watch his buddies murder a man? Yet covered it up, kept his mouth shut, and let them get off??? Don't thousands root for him every weekend? Wasn't he on the cover of SI? I'll bet he has fans right here on the forum, but I've never seen any outrage.

This is a great point and something we've all seem to have forgotten about. We see Ray on magazines, on video game covers, on the NFL Network smoozed by the hosts, a celebrated player and celebrity yet nary a memory of a man having had his life taken in Lewis presence by Lewis associates.

I'm as disgusted by Ray as anyone. I loathe the dude's face every time I see it. He is a hienous criminal who escaped justice like O.J. did his first time around. Not to mention, I just don't like his personality and aggressive attitude in how he carries himself. So what, he's a football player. I know several people who have never thrown the "pigskin" around that could whoop his ass, so what difference does it make?

That said, the point you guys need to differentiate between Ray and Vick is that Ray was aquitted from the charges against him....Vick was found quilty.

Therefore, the stigma of what Vick did will never leave his side. Ray can claim he did nothing wrong, and has a juries decision to back it up.....right or wrong as it may be.

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Re: Doesn't T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Sounds like a lot of people do not understand how the laws work in the United States of America.

Love it or Leave it but stop making your own rules because that is not how it works.

Or, vote for lawmakers who want an eye for an eye punishment system.

Good luck!

Oh, we understand how it works, Joel.

It works rather badly. That's why I say we go back to the old western days...

Don't make OUR own rules? What did big bad multi-millionaire Michael Vick do, Joel? Didn't he make HIS OWN RULES? Only problem is....he got arrested for it.

I read your posts, and I just don't understand why you have such contempt formorality. You are either hopelessly liberal to the farthest left anyone could possible be to a fault and then some, or you just enjoy starting arguments against all common sense for personal gratification and kicks.

Michael Vick is a punk. He deserves nothing, and like it.

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

[quote=earlywynnfan;142109]Also, didn't Ray Lewis watch his buddies murder a man? Yet covered it up, kept his mouth shut, and let them get off??? Don't thousands root for him every weekend? Wasn't he on the cover of SI? I'll bet he has fans right here on the forum, but I've never seen any outrage.[quote]

This is a great point and something we've all seem to have forgotten about. We see Ray on magazines, on video game covers, on the NFL Network smoozed by the hosts, a celebrated player and celebrity yet nary a memory of a man having had his life taken in Lewis presence by Lewis associates.

[sportscentury]

Re: Should Vick wear pork-chop underpants?

You know - I do not understand. I make my views and people have to attack them time and time again instead of discussing the topic.

I can't lock the thread, I have no clue why it is in Auction Item Discussions to begin with.

Warren's not attacking you ... he's just teasing you. There are folks on here who seem to wait for you to post sp that they can attack you, but there are also times when you take things the wrong way. Warren is far from a GUU bully.

As for why this thread is in the Auction Item Discussion section, you'll have to ask Dirtyla2000 (good luck with that discussion!). Joel v. Dirtyla2000 ... I know we'd all tune in for that!

I recently made a post in the General Discussion section about why GUU still has the separate sections (General Discussion and Auction Item Discussion). It seems like GUUers post a lot of threads in the wrong section. This is a prime example. Not a big deal by any means - I just thought it might be better to combine them. (Not a single person responded to my thread, so I think I am alone on that one!)

[trsent]

Re: Should Vick wear pork-chop underpants?

Joel, come on... even you have to agree this is funny.

You know - I do not understand. I make my views and people have to attack them time and time again instead of discussing the topic.

I can't lock the thread, I have no clue why it is in Auction Item Discussions to begin with.

[sportscentury]

Re: Should Vick wear pork-chop underpants?

Joel
Could you please lock this thread? It no longer serves the collecting community.

Joel, come on... even you have to agree this is funny.

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Sorry, came in late here. I think a better comparison would be Pedro and the cockfighting issue. Sure, Vick went farther, but Pedro willingly took part in a "sport" that most of America finds reprehensible, yet he was allowed to play again. Also, didn't Ray Lewis watch his buddies murder a man? Yet covered it up, kept his mouth shut, and let them get off??? Don't thousands root for him every weekend? Wasn't he on the cover of SI? I'll bet he has fans right here on the forum, but I've never seen any outrage.

I think he paid the time for the crime, which was actually longer than many who have murdered and raped. I think he should be allowed to try to find success in whatever career he chooses. If his singular talent was as a medical researcher or brain surgeon, he'd be back in his job as either. Vick's talent is football, so he should be allowed to play football.

Any team that wants to sign him will fully be aware of the negative impact that Vick would bring on a team's image and ticket sales, so I think the point of this is moot.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[both-teams-played-hard]

re: Should Vick wear pork-chop underpants?

Joel
Could you please lock this thread? It no longer serves the collecting community.

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Re: Doesn't T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

sounds like someone can't read the thread title. the title asks if vick deserves another chance. every tool in the world knows he's obviously receiving one. the question was whether it's deserved. any failure to comprehend basic english is beyond the responsibility of other forum members.

rudy.

Rudy - Again, you want him to be attacked by dogs and not let back into his line of work. Many on this forum worship you and your work, but anyone can see from you post above that you are just a bully with an agenda to attack those you do not like.

Who are you to know what I comprehend or not?

Who is the tool? You think he should be attacked by dogs as his punishment. Wow - Sounds like a great world you want us to live in.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Doesn't T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Sounds like a lot of people do not understand how the laws work in the United States of America.

sounds like someone can't read the thread title. the title asks if vick deserves another chance. every tool in the world knows he's obviously receiving one. the question was whether it's deserved. any failure to comprehend basic english is beyond the responsibility of other forum members.

rudy.

[trsent]

Re: Doesn't T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

Sounds like a lot of people do not understand how the laws work in the United States of America.

Love it or Leave it but stop making your own rules because that is not how it works.

Or, vote for lawmakers who want an eye for an eye punishment system.

Good luck!

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Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

The note was written by Vick as an answer to an empathy test given by PETA. A "google" search will find it. Sounds like a 5th grader with a cheat sheet. There is a line about chickens being athletic. It is funny. Not "ha-ha" funny, but sick and twisted funny. Don't forget-Vick has a nice highlight reel, but a highlight reel has never won a game. He will never play in the NFL again.
Maybe in some third-world league like the CFL.

Thanks for the clarification on the note, b-t-p-h. That was my suspicion, that it was some kind of answer written by Vick himself, but I didn't want to make a guess.

I also agree with you that he will not play again in the NFL. He has way, way, WAY too much baggage, and like someone mentioned before....he wasn't even a winner as a quarterback. He could scramble like hell, and was fast as a leopard.....but that probably came from his activities as a youth while leaving the scenes of his crimes....

Stick a fork in him.

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Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

I know we are all entitled to our own opinions, and I respect each and every one.

It is mine that the only thing "Well put!" regarding this whole subject matter was when Michael Vick was put in prison.

If and when he lands on a team, he will have to deal with the wrath of animal-lovers hell from the stands for the rest of his playing days, if not life altogether.

And those of you who feel that is wrong....remember that it was he who brought this on himself.


........with his sick, crosswired brain he genetically inherited from his defective parents who seem to breed degenerate life form like himself and his brother. I don't see any reason to have one ounce of mercy on a piece of garbage who mutilated dogs and held them under water to drown because they weren't exceptional "killers".

This twisted talk of "rehabilitation" and "forgiveness" and "second chances" is exactly why we have so many damn problems in society.

So....we stick these defects in a hole and feed them for years with tax dollars which could be used to build better schools for the illegals children we pay our community hospitals to deliver and take care of.

Opps, I'm sorry.....I'm getting off base.

I will be watching the fans in the stands barking at Vick, holding up the signs saying "Come over to MY house, Michael, my ROTTWEILER wants to say HI..." and the whole time, I'll be shaking my head at society and "second chances".

The earlier example of the Ram linebacker who killed while being intoxicated behind the wheel..........only to be arrested again after that sickening event for yet ANOTHER DUI......is all you need to know about rehabilitation.

It doesn't work.

You can shave a tiger.....dye his hair to resemble Dennis Rodman during his "coming out" basketball years, and take it to sensitivity training for three years.

But when that cat gets hungry, he shread you to pieces to fill his gut.

I say the HELL with the system....let's do this the old fashion way and take back our country and laws our forefathers laid to reign the land.

Take Vick back out in the alley and plug him.

THAT'S true rehabilitation.

[flaco1801]

Re: Doesn T Vick Deserve A Second Chance?

let him get a 40 hr. a week job first.... lets see how he handles the life most of us lead.... then maybe some owner will take a chance on this "mutt"