GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I got this from an APBR member. I'm assuming it's accurate.

Not sure if every Bulls pre-season game has been established in the press clippings above or not. But, FWIW...

10/5 Bulls 102, Ind 98 @ Peoria
10/7 Bulls 107, KC 100 @ St. Louis
10/9 Bulls 100, Mil 97 @ E Chcago
10/13 Bucks 99, Bulls 84 @ Milw
10/15 Bulls 91, NY 90 @ Glens Falls
10/18 Bulls 112, NY 93 @ NY
10/19 Kings 103, Bulls 89 @ Chicago

[genius]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

As a casual observer with no stake in trying to prove or disprove this jersey's authenticity, I think the evidence tilts towards this being a Jordan rookie gamer of some sort. Serious Jordan collectors have to weigh this against whether there's even a chance that an iron-clad bullet-proof photo-matched Jordan rookie gamer even exists, especially his "first" one, and what that would fetch price-wise compared to this. If you were to replace "Jordan" with "Lemieux" and we were looking at photos of Mario's rookie year, with debates over little nuances like previous heat-sealed numeral remnants and whether he wore it in game 5 or game 35, I'd be all over it and in fact I'd be hoping for people to raise doubt in order to keep competitive bidders away.

[LEGEND33]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

..larger size..2

[LEGEND33]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

... larger size of my pics

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

re: aeneas' matches

the game vs nj. game # 25 or 39. here's a pic of jordan vs the nets in 1984-85. can't tell conclusively if its game 25 or 39 but i'd say judging from his white/red nike air ships, it's more likely to be 25.



rudy.

[kingjammy24]

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re: dave o'brien's pic

given the shoes that jordan is wearing in dave's pic wouldn't be safe to say that the pic is definitely from the preseason as jordan never wore those particular shoes in the regular season?

rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

here are some newspaper/magazine photos from jordan's rookie year that i dug up and i think at least one or two confirm that jordan sported the gfc style shirt during the regular season (game 16 @ warriors (maybe), game 25 @ nets (probably), game 39 @ nets (maybe))

here are the 3 games you quoted:



personally, i'm not seeing any matches to the GFC font. i'm not looking at the black of the numbers, but at the white and presence/absence of red in the upper/inside area of the "2" and inside the "3". i'd say the third pic is definitely not a match. the first pic doesn't appear to match. the second pic is inconclusive. i don't believe or see how it "confirms" it.

rudy.

[TriplexXxSports]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

GFC jordan on the left, GUF pics on the right. what you're looking
for is the previous number remnant on the right side of the "2" and
on the upper left side of the "3". photomatch?



i think dave o'brien's pic is a match. the way the remnant veers
to the left.

rudy.

Rudy,

You are definitely on to something. If you focus close on the larger of the 2 black & white pics, you can make out the the angle at which the pre-existing 3 cuts back into the #2 (if that makes sense). Also, I have to agree that it appears that on the inside loop of the pre-existing 3, the angle does appear to lean in on that same pic.

It is tough to tell if the above mentioned angle of the 3 cuts back towards the 2 on the smaller of the black & white photos. The angle of that shot doesn't help, but there is definitely something there.

I cannot tell, or see, anything too concrete on the color photos. The bottom right is too bright and blurry to see anything. The top right color photo seems to show a 'shadow', which you highlighted, but b/c of the quality, and angle of the shot, it is extremely hard to see any definite angles of a pre-existing 5. That is a tough call b/c across from that 'shadow' there is no signs of the pre-existing 3 on the #2, like in the other pic.

Without a doubt this is the best evidence yet as to the mystery of this jersey. Maybe some more pics of that game exist and they will pop up soon.

Outstanding job to both of you for finding that pic, and making the comparison.

[aeneas01]

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That's the preseason game against the Knicks I presume....that's the image I was talking about, those are the actual shoes that got banned..black/red ships

great thread! from what i can tell the shirt looks pretty darn good - in fact if i were grey flannel i would change the wording in title description from "possible first jersey ever issued to jordan" to "possible first nba jersey ever worn by jordan". btw i found the preseason/value vs season/value debate interesting although, i have to say, i would think the first nba shirt jordan ever sweated in would be pretty damn valuable, preseason or not - but, hey, that's just me.

here are some newspaper/magazine photos from jordan's rookie year that i dug up and i think at least one or two confirm that jordan sported the gfc style shirt during the regular season (game 16 @ warriors (maybe), game 25 @ nets (probably), game 39 @ nets (maybe)) - i've also included other photos that might help with the raging sneaker debate.

for the record, given the 1984 style match that had already been provided in the lot description, i don't think gfc's "possibility" claim was an unfair or misleading estimation - in fact i think gfc would have severely shortchanged the consignor had they failed to mention this possibilty.

anyway, if jordan wore the gfc style during the regular season, which i believe the game 25 @ nets photo confirms, then it would seem that it could certainly be the very first pro jersey jordan ever wore. and it would strike me as much more valuable than his first "regular season" shirt. jmo.


game 1 - 10/26/84 bullets



game 1 - 10/26/84 bullets



game 3 - 10/29/84 bucks:



game 3 - 10/29/84 bucks:



game 7 - 11/08/4 knicks:



game 16 - 11/27/84 warriors:



game 19 - 12/02/84 lakers:



game 21 -12/07/84 knicks:



game 25 - 12/14/84 nets:



game 31 - 01/02/85 hawks:



game 35 - 01/09/85 celtics:



game 36 - 01/11/85 knicks:



game 37 - 01/12/85 cavs:



game 39 - 01/16/85 nets:



game 52 - 02/17/85 bucks:



game 70 - 03/20/85 spurs:



game 80 - 04/08/85 pacers:



game 81 - 04/12/85 hawks:



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[rareair23.com]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Here is a picture of Jordan in a game against the Knicks that shows a similar font Any thoughts? :

Dave

That's the preseason game against the Knicks I presume....that's the image I was talking about, those are the actual shoes that got banned..black/red ships

[both-teams-played-hard]

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Please watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83jKvj5wXxE

I still would like to see a photo of MJ wearing the black and red AJ 1s in a game.
My sources tell me the black and red Air Jordan 1 was never banned (marketing ploy by NIKE). The sneakers in the photo that Dave posted were banned (still don't know the model name.) That's the shoe that was referenced in the old Sports Illustrated article.

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

GFC jordan on the left, GUF pics on the right. what you're looking
for is the previous number remnant on the right side of the "2" and
on the upper left side of the "3". photomatch?



i think dave o'brien's pic is a match. the way the remnant veers
to the left.

rudy.

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Good job finding more photos, but one would need a pretty decent quality photo to match the jerseys. I'm not talking style matching the number font...but rather the evidence of the name & number change.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say more than a few Jordan 'gamers' have been built after the fact.

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

pat cummings played in the exhibition game.

rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

here's jordan on nov 8, against the knicks, regular season:



fyi, he wore all-white nikes. not air jordans.

rudy.