MLB authentication # question

[joelsabi]

Re: MLB authentication # question

If you look at this thread, where I was first offered this ball, http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...light=palmeiro you'll see I asked the very same question. "Is this an actual hr ball hit by Palmeiro or just a ball used in a game that Palmeiro homered in?" To which I never received an answer, and still haven't.

Sorry, not looking to rock the boat here but I speak my mind at all times. I simply refuse to ever deal with someone that avoids answering questions asked about their items that they offer for sale. The same question was asked here on the forum, through email and through Ebay. So no excuse can be made that the question wasn't received or that insufficient time was given for a response.

on your correspondence with owener, what was the hr inscription on the baseball? (ie. Rafael Palmeiro Home run #434)

[joelsabi]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Sean/10thman,

I'm not looking to discredit you or to cause a problem. I was merely asking advice on this particular ball for reasons of verification. I don't purchase anything without doing my homework.

However, several things are not adding up.


2. As far as you never telling me it was and MA prefix, well that's just a blatant lie. After seeing this Palmeiro "hr ball" on Ebay I brought it here for discussion. I contact the seller (turns out to be you) through Ebay anyway to inquire on it's authenticity. You send me, in email, this MLB Authentication # and ASI # MLB # MA250814 and Palmeiro25 # ASI3178 (copy/pasted directly from my email). In a seperate message to me through Ebay, you also gave me the same MLB Auth. # a second time. MLB # MA250814 .

opps i just located the photo of the baseball. i noticed also that the asi sticker on the email and on the photo of the baseabll are different or dont match.

[joelsabi]

Re: MLB authentication # question

opps i just located the photo of the baseball. i noticed also that the asi sticker on the email and on the photo of the baseabll are different or dont match.

MA250814 is really MR250614.


Hologram number MR250614 was located in the MLB Authentication Database under BALLS.
Session Product Description: GAME USED BALL (TEX/DET)
Game: TEXAS RANGERS V. DETROIT TIGERS - AUGUST 13,2003Session Name: DETROIT TIGERS @ TEXAS RANGERS
Session Date: August 13, 2003
Autographer:
Authenticator: AUTHENTICATORS, INC.

Those small stickers are hard to read and are really brittle. I wouldnt be surprised if the printed letter and numbers on the silvery sticker are smudged or the person needs to use a magnifying glass to get the proper read.


There are 6 baseball authenticated on that date. MR250613 thru MR250618 so Steve (suicide_squeeze) was in the correct vacinity) MR251614 seems more logical since its one letter and one number off. With 6 baseballs authenticated, I would not be surprised if there other similar baseballs with the same inscription out there based on what ASI did with the ARod baseball I mentioned earlier.

Regards

Joel

[joelsabi]

Re: MLB authentication # question

The correct MLB database number is MR 250617.

amazing read Steve. I had to use the photo from the owner to get my answer. you figured it out prior to the owner posting that photo. nice work.

[NYCrulesU]

Re: MLB authentication # question

on your correspondence with owener, what was the hr inscription on the baseball? (ie. Rafael Palmeiro Home run #434)

Same as pics here show. 8/13/03, hr #29.

[joelsabi]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Same as pics here show. 8/13/03, hr #29.

yeah i mentioned I found it and posted my conclusion.

[NYCrulesU]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Sean, you claim you have nothing to hide? Well, to go along with the wrong authentication numbers you gave me, you lying about the ball not being for sale when in fact you offered it to me twice, it also appears that you have multiple baseballs with the same identical inscription. It appears Joelsabi is correct. There are many of these "game used" baseballs that were falsley inscribed by the player. I am sure you are aware of this, since you clearly own more than one copy. By you attempting to pass this ball off as the one and only "8/13/03 hr #29" hit by Rafael Palmeiro, you sir have placed yourself into a very specific category. I will let the proof speak for itself.


Please be sure to look at the dates/inscription and how they line up with each other. The first two pics are of one baseball, while the last pic is of a completely different baseball. Both bearing the "8/13/03 hr #29" inscription.



EBAY AUCTION PIC



PIC OF THE SAME BALL THAT YOU EMAILED TO ME ON 1/9/10




PIC OF BALL YOU TOOK & POSTED ON 1/12/10

[joelsabi]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Sean, you claim you have nothing to hide? Well, to go along with the wrong authentication numbers you gave me, you lying about the ball not being for sale when in fact you offered it to me twice, it also appears that you have multiple baseballs with the same identical inscription. It appears Joelsabi is correct. There are many of these "game used" baseballs that were falsley inscribed by the player. I am sure you are aware of this, since you clearly own more than one copy. By you attempting to pass this ball off as the one and only "8/13/03 hr #29" hit by Rafael Palmeiro, you sir have placed yourself into a very specific category. I will let the proof speak for itself.

Falsely inscribed by the player is kinda harsh. I have not doubt that ASI did not misrepresent this baseball as the actual homerun baseball when they initially. The same person providing photos of two different baseballs with different ASI stickers with the same insription seem to confirms this. This is kinda sickening to the stomach.

[10thMan]

Re: MLB authentication # question

No, Nothing to hide here. Looks like there are 2 Game used Baseballs with the same Inscription. Not sure what you mean by "I have more than one Copy" Seems kinda like a sick thing to ASSUME. If I had 6, I`d tell you, but you dont know me.

Steve, several things I`d recommend...

#1 Re-read the e-mail I sent you, I`m sure you`ve probably saved it, you seem like the type. See anything about a price, or offer? Nope, I made it Clear I`m not interested in selling the Baseball. Why? because I`m an Ethical person. I`m not certain that it`s a real homer ball, that simple. It IS a nice game used Ball for sure. To ASSUME PUBLICLY, that I`m the type to perform ANY type of Scam is Crazy. You dont have to believe ANYTHING I SAY OR TYPE, I`m ok with that.

#2 STOP E-MAILING ME. I`m not confused here for one second. I`m getting e-mails from 2 different guys that use the same dotcom website, Both use different first names, I believe BOTH are you.

#3 I`ve dealt (successfully) off this Forum with Jim Caravello, Eric S, Tim Byington (regularly) Jeff Scott (regularly) as well as a dozen others, without ONE SINGLE ISSUE. I have both Bought & sold.

All I gotta say, Dont e-mail me anymore, what your Implying here is EXTREMELY SICK TO ME.


Sean

[NYCrulesU]

Re: MLB authentication # question

No, Nothing to hide here. Looks like there are 2 Game used Baseballs with the same Inscription. Not sure what you mean by "I have more than one Copy" Seems kinda like a sick thing to ASSUME. If I had 6, I`d tell you, but you dont know me.

Steve, several things I`d recommend...

#1 Re-read the e-mail I sent you, I`m sure you`ve probably saved it, you seem like the type. See anything about a price, or offer? Nope, I made it Clear I`m not interested in selling the Baseball. Why? because I`m an Ethical person. I`m not certain that it`s a real homer ball, that simple. It IS a nice game used Ball for sure. To ASSUME PUBLICLY, that I`m the type to perform ANY type of Scam is Crazy. You dont have to believe ANYTHING I SAY OR TYPE, I`m ok with that.

#2 STOP E-MAILING ME. I`m not confused here for one second. I`m getting e-mails from 2 different guys that use the same dotcom website, Both use different first names, I believe BOTH are you.

#3 I`ve dealt (successfully) off this Forum with Jim Caravello, Eric S, Tim Byington (regularly) Jeff Scott (regularly) as well as a dozen others, without ONE SINGLE ISSUE. I have both Bought & sold.

All I gotta say, Dont e-mail me anymore, what your Implying here is EXTREMELY SICK TO ME.


Sean

Just want to be clear here. Are you claiming that both of these baseball are not yours? That you only own one of them?

[NYCrulesU]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Now I see why I receive daily emails from some of the more respected former members telling me not to even bother here. I've turned this matter over to the moderators. I don't appreciate someone blatantly offering me an item for sale that is not exactly what it is advertised to be. Then, to top it off, he denies ever offering it to me.

In my book this constitutes an offer of sale. 10thman's direct post copy/pasted.

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Re: Rafael Palmeiro
NYC, I have a Palmeiro MLB Authenticated Home Run Baseball. Signed perfectly, with an Inscription. I believe it`s an actual Homer due to the fact that it was probably over the fence, it`s really dirty, not just "Rubbed" It`s in the MLB "Database"
Interested, send me an e-mail. I normally dont check this Board for Replies.

tempbreak at hotmail dot com

Sean

[joelsabi]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Falsely inscribed by the player is kinda harsh. I have not doubt that ASI did not misrepresent this baseball as the actual homerun baseball when they initially. The same person providing photos of two different baseballs with different ASI stickers with the same insription seem to confirms this. This is kinda sickening to the stomach.

Just to clarifying. i was saying that i have no problem with asi selling 6 baseballs with the same insciption provided that the baseballs were disclosed to not be the homerun baseball.

i do have a problem with a person misrepresenting it in the future.

if the guy emailing the photo and the guy posting on the forum are the same person then there is no doubt that he has been in possession of two baseballs. pictures do not lie.

owning one baseball could conceivably make a person believe they own a actual homerun baseball. however, owning two baseballs with the same description seems to provide additional information. it would seem to eliminate the belief of the owner of the two baseballs with the same exact hr inscription that either one of the baseballs is an actual homerun baseball. to say otherwise is deceptive.

[10thMan]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Steve, You Jumped the Gun here Buddy, BIG TIME. Not only did you state that I have "2 Copies" but that I`m inscribing them. Pretty Sick Dude!!!

I have a Game used Baseball, signed by Palmeiro, that`s it. FOR YOU, or ANYONE else to suggest more than this is astonishing.

This Item was NEVER offered for Sale, I confirmed this with the email I sent you Steve!!! No money is mentioned, or suggested. Let me remind you, I said "I`m not sure what I have" I WAS & HAVE BEEN TOTALLY HONEST & UPFRONT ABOUT THIS BASEBALL.

Dont get too carried away with me believing this MAY have been a Homer ball, I`m not confused here dude. I know what I said.

Steve, this is TOTALLY DISRESPECTFUL & AN ATTCK ON ME. Let me remind you, you`ve recently been re-instated on this Board. Not only have you disrespected Me, you`ve sent me Nasty e-mails calling Chris some RUDE, PROFANE names. I HAVE THOSE E-MAILS.

You`ve proven yourself to be extremley disrespectful, OVERLY AND UNFAIRLY CRITICAL of others. This is FAR more than simply offering an Opinion.

Sean

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Steve, You Jumped the Gun here Buddy, BIG TIME. Not only did you state that I have "2 Copies" but that I`m inscribing them. Pretty Sick Dude!!!

I have a Game used Baseball, signed by Palmeiro, that`s it. FOR YOU, or ANYONE else to suggest more than this is astonishing.

Um.......Sean.

You have me confused with someone else. I never said you had two of anything. Check back on the thread. Someone else said that.

I am sorry if you thought or felt otherwise.

Steve

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: MLB authentication # question

Steve, You Jumped the Gun here Buddy, BIG TIME. Not only did you state that I have "2 Copies" but that I`m inscribing them. Pretty Sick Dude!!!

I have a Game used Baseball, signed by Palmeiro, that`s it. FOR YOU, or ANYONE else to suggest more than this is astonishing.

Sean

Sean,

In referring to your post above, the portion highlighted and enlarged, I want to be clear.

I never said anything of the sort. You have me confused with soemone else here.

I understand why you are upset, but please don't mistake another member's words here for mine.

And below, where you refer to two different ".com" names emailing you that you feel are the same person? I am publicly stating that you are incorrect in assuming they are both me. I don't play silly games like that.

I hope you can get your point across without any further anger slung in my direction. You chose to come on this thread and defend yourself when you hadn't even been identified as the seller. You have nothing to prove to me. It's the other two or three members here who are calling you out.

I have no hand in this argument, nor do I want one. I also have no opinion on any prior "correspondence" you've had with any other members here regarding this ball, as I was not privied to it, and don't care to be.

Good luck,

Steve