Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jersey

[abstractheory]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

"If I send you a pro cut Tom Gugliotta 2002-2003 throwback Suns jersey and anAmare Stoudemire 2002-2003 same style throwback, could you change theStoudemire over to the pro cut jersey? The name on the back and the number?"

[trsent]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

Mitch Schumacher (masauction) sent me a copy of an email he received from Ryan just five days ago. I find this email interesting as I wonder what the intentions are.


From: ryanjerseyb@aol.com
To: masauction@aol.com
Sent: 10/7/2013 12:09:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time
Subj: Jerseys

If I send you a pro cut Tom Gugliotta 2002-2003 throwback Suns jersey and anAmare Stoudemire 2002-2003 same style throwback, could you change theStoudemire over to the pro cut jersey? The name on the back and the number?
Sent from my iPhone=

[trsent]

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I would think the auto was legit. Dan has access to Kobe and psa only did a quick opinion which isn't always accurate.

How does Dan have access to Kobe that he can get his autograph upon request? I have been told this isn't the first time a major authenticator has not passed a Kobe autograph linked to Dan.

If you are going to defend Dan's relationship with Kobe Bryant please explain to me what that relationship is as Dan recently wrote a letter that a jersey came from a source with Los Angeles Lakers team access and it turns out that was not true.

How does Dan have access to Kobe Bryant on demand?

I have seen more Michael Jordan autographs that were signed in the locker room but not signed by Michael Jordan. Does Dan have Kobe's cell phone number and when someone pays him he calls Kobe and Kobe tells him to come over to sign his jersey?

[mmonte4]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

Mick, I am disappointed in you.

Mick's hatred of me stems from this thread:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=41682

I invite everyone to give that thread a read and I think you will conclude that my skepticism over the issue was fair and well founded.

Afterwards, Mick offered me $700 for a Rambis Lakers warm-up I owned. I declined his offer and told him that I believed it was worth much more. I ended up submitting it to auction and it went for $4k.

Those are the only two interactions I've ever had with the guy.

I am even more disappointed in GUU. The GUU mods continue to allow character assassinations as seen in this thread. There is a big difference between asking questions and engaging in personal attacks. As such, my next post will address the situation at hand and will be my last on GUU.

I'm not a hard person to find, just email me at klhunter@yahoo.com

[Takuleechch]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

I would think the auto was legit. Dan has access to Kobe and psa only did a quick opinion which isn't always accurate.

[trsent]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

So if it is the same jersey - the issue is the LOA.

I'd say the LOA is an issue and the autograph is a concern. Who took a jersey sold as not game used and told someone it was game used? There are so many questions about the history between when masauction shipped it out and jerseyking55 listed it on eBay that it is a huge concern for the industry as a whole.

[cohibasmoker]

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I showed the timeline from when masauction ended it on eBay and when jerseyking55 listed it on eBay in post #3 which I copied above. The LOA and the autograph on the back of the jersey were new from the first listing to the second.

So if it is the same jersey - the issue is the LOA.

[trsent]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

So a time frame is set, the original auction selling this jersey as a pro-cut was ended on eBay August 4th, 2013 while the jersey was listed as a game used autographed jersey with a letter of authenticity on September 14th, 2013.

That means in about a 40 day time frame this jersey went from Milwaukee, who states they shipped it to Louisiana, to where they state it was shipped to Florida and somewhere during this time the jersey was supposedly autographed by Kobe Bryant and it was authenticated as game used by an authenticator in California.

Seems to me the only difference is the LOA

TIMELINE

August 4, 2013 - masauction - advertised as "un-used/worn game-issued"";
October 11, 2013 - jerseyking55 - reappears with LOA and advertised as "game worn".

Joel - Is this timeline correct?

Jim

I showed the timeline from when masauction ended it on eBay and when jerseyking55 listed it on eBay in post #3 which I copied above. The LOA and the autograph on the back of the jersey were new from the first listing to the second.

[cohibasmoker]

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Dan, can you answer some specific questions:

1. How much did you charge Ryan for the autograph and letter?

2. Did you personally witness Kobe autograph this jersey?

3. I didn't try to match it up, but I have been told the font on the back of the jersey doesn't match Kobe gamers. You are regarded as the expert - Can you confirm that the lettering font is an exact match to Kobe rookie gamers?

4. If you state it came from an impeccable source, is that source Ryan or Mark? I don't understand how you use that term but don't have a source from within The Los Angeles Lakers organization as another dealer/collector is the source that has access to players before, during and after games? This is very confusing. How many other Kobe jerseys have you written letters for using this expression believing someone telling you it came from an impeccable source?

It is a concern if you take people's word for game used items that you then write letters for their statement. This confuses the whole industry.

My questions are all very important to be answered.

Seems to me the only difference is the LOA

TIMELINE

August 4, 2013 - masauction - advertised as "un-used/worn game-issued"";
October 11, 2013 - jerseyking55 - reappears with LOA and advertised as "game worn".

Joel - Is this timeline correct?

Jim

[CPuente57]

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I agree, I always assumed with jerseys with the D.C. Sports LOA that Dan got the items directly from his Lakers source himself. I didn't realize D.C. Sports authenticated outside items. Not saying it's not their right to do that, just something I assumed.

[DoctorLoomis]

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Joel, your last post is spot on. I have nothing to do with this scenario nor am I accusing anyone of anything....but as a concerned collector and hobbyist, this question MUST be answered: 4. "If you state it came from an impeccable source, is that source Ryan or Mark? I don't understand how you use that term but don't have a source from within The Los Angeles Lakers organization as another dealer/collector is the source that has access to players before, during and after games? This is very confusing. How many other Kobe jerseys have you written letters for using this expression believing someone telling you it came from an impeccable source?"

[trsent]

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The integrity of this hobby is the main reason we started to post on this site. Ryan contacted us to have the jersey signed by Kobe and to authenticate the jersey. We were told that the jersey was sourced directly from the Lakers and based on that info and the fact that it matched all the identifiers that we know from that year lead us to conclude that it came from the Lakers. That is why we stated from an impeccable source just like all the jerseys I get because you can’t get any better then the Lakers. I started to post on GUU to make the hobby aware of all the Kobe fakes that are out there and I have always been able to spot a rookie fake but this jersey even fooled me. We are removing our authentication from this jersey and will be updating our data base.

Dan dceniceros248@yahoo.com 323.257.4898

Dan, can you answer some specific questions:

1. How much did you charge Ryan for the autograph and letter?

2. Did you personally witness Kobe autograph this jersey?

3. I didn't try to match it up, but I have been told the font on the back of the jersey doesn't match Kobe gamers. You are regarded as the expert - Can you confirm that the lettering font is an exact match to Kobe rookie gamers?

4. If you state it came from an impeccable source, is that source Ryan or Mark? I don't understand how you use that term but don't have a source from within The Los Angeles Lakers organization as another dealer/collector is the source that has access to players before, during and after games? This is very confusing. How many other Kobe jerseys have you written letters for using this expression believing someone telling you it came from an impeccable source?

It is a concern if you take people's word for game used items that you then write letters for their statement. This confuses the whole industry.

My questions are all very important to be answered.

[DConLA]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

The integrity of this hobby is the main reason we started to post on this site. Ryan contacted us to have the jersey signed by Kobe and to authenticate the jersey. We were told that the jersey was sourced directly from the Lakers and based on that info and the fact that it matched all the identifiers that we know from that year lead us to conclude that it came from the Lakers. That is why we stated from an impeccable source just like all the jerseys I get because you can’t get any better then the Lakers. I started to post on GUU to make the hobby aware of all the Kobe fakes that are out there and I have always been able to spot a rookie fake but this jersey even fooled me. We are removing our authentication from this jersey and will be updating our data base.

Dan dceniceros248@yahoo.com 323.257.4898

[ryanjerseyb]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

MS auctions lettered it.

[yanks12025]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

First off, if it was sold as a blank who was the person that lettered it.