Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jersey

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Sorry - My cutting and pasting sure bunches some words together - not sure why.

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Email I sent just now to Dan, Mark and Ryan since they none of them have followed up on the forum in the past day:

From: Joel Alpert[mailto:joel@alpert.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:02 AM
To: 'dceniceros248@yahoo.com'; 'klhunter@yahoo.com';'ryanjerseyb@aol.com'
Subject: Unanswered Questions Still on Game Used Universe's Forum

Hey guys, lots ofunanswered questions still waiting for answers on the Game Used Universe Forum:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=57641&page=5

I have requestedthat all of you post the following to help clear you name as being the one inthe wrongdoing for this situation that is a major black eye to the hobby:

Post #77: “I was thinking while lying in bed thatthere is a paper trail to help answer some of the questions that are beingasked.

Mark, Ryan and Dan - You all have text messages and email between each otherabout this jersey? Why don't you post these to show the history that is beingdisputed? Just take screenshots of any text messages or emails about thisjersey and publish them on the forum. That way you can clear your name.

I would like to see proof that the jersey was sold as game used or pro-cutbetween Ryan and Mark. That will clear a lot up for us. Then I'd love to seethe communication between Ryan and Dan including what the price was charged forthe authentication and signature.

If no one has anything to hide this shouldn't be a big deal to post and at thispoint none of the three parties involved have given any proof they wereinnocent other than excuses and attacks on each other.

I'm still waiting for Dan to take the time to answer the several questions Iposed asking him. Avoiding these questions raises doubt about this item andpossibly others over the years from the history of game used certified items toautographs alleged to be hand signed by Kobe Bryant. Please review each postand advise.”

Y’allhave texted each other or emailed each other to complete these transactions? Ifyou are so innocent – Please post screenshots of these emails to Game UsedUniverse so we can see you are being honest.

Otherwise– There is a lot of industry fraud going on here and we all don’t want that.Dan has some questions that he ignored previously which lead me to believe therumors I have heard about his business practices are true and this is veryscary if it is true to the industry and who they can and can’t trust. Pleasetake the time and answer questions posed to you on the forum otherwise hidingfrom them makes us all wonder if your business and contacts are really what youhave made everyone believe. After this mistake, full disclosure shouldn’t beasking too much if you really are running an honest and fair business.

Peace.

Joel

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I was thinking while lying in bed that there is a paper trail to help answer some of the questions that are being asked.

Mark, Ryan and Dan - You all have text messages and email between each other about this jersey? Why don't you post these to show the history that is being disputed? Just take screenshots of any text messages or emails about this jersey and publish them on the forum. That way you can clear your name.

I would like to see proof that the jersey was sold as game used or pro-cut between Ryan and Mark. That will clear a lot up for us. Then I'd love to see the communication between Ryan and Dan including what the price was charged for the authentication and signature.

If no one has anything to hide this shouldn't be a big deal to post and at this point none of the three parties involved have given any proof they were innocent other than excuses and attacks on each other.

I'm still waiting for Dan to take the time to answer the several questions I posed asking him. Avoiding these questions raises doubt about this item and possibly others over the years from the history of game used certified items to autographs alleged to be hand signed by Kobe Bryant. Please review each post and advise.

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Having backread the thread, the thing that scares me the most is that, had a little bit of intelligence/common sense been used, Joel might not have uncovered this Had Ryan only waited until the august listing was purged from the ebay completed listings database, with this letter, it could have easily been put into an auction and someone would have been burned BIG time. At least (it appears) that the name font is off and someone might have caught that. But if it was right? There would be nothing, or no one, to impeach this jersey. There must be so much of this bogus stuff out there. Thank you for making this an issues and pressing it, Joel. Excellent work.

Thanks for your comments.

I didn't mention this theory as I have learned if I educate criminals it helps make their business stronger. The first thought I had when I uncovered this situation was why wouldn't they have waited as you suggested but I didn't suggest it as you did as I'm not here to educate the criminals.

[Phil316]

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The moral of the story, if you want a legit Kobe stick will Meigray.

I agree.

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I have just spent some time catching up on this thread and trying to digest all of the issues that have been raised. Joel and I may not always see eye to eye, but he has been very fair in his approach here and his questions seem quite reasonable.

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The moral of the story, if you want a legit Kobe stick will Meigray.

[akrover]

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Having backread the thread, the thing that scares me the most is that, had a little bit of intelligence/common sense been used, Joel might not have uncovered this Had Ryan only waited until the august listing was purged from the ebay completed listings database, with this letter, it could have easily been put into an auction and someone would have been burned BIG time. At least (it appears) that the name font is off and someone might have caught that. But if it was right? There would be nothing, or no one, to impeach this jersey. There must be so much of this bogus stuff out there. Thank you for making this an issues and pressing it, Joel. Excellent work.

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I just want to make clear that this is an isolated incident as we just barley started to authenticate Lakers items that were acquired outside our network.

Dan dceniceros248@yahoo.com 323.257.4898

Also, not to beat a dead horse, but it seems very strange - This is the first time ever you have authenticated an item not from your "contacts" at The Los Angeles Lakers?

Every other item for sale or privately owned with a D. C. Sports letter was obtained from your network?

I find that impossible to believe as I have found most major auction houses send game used Lakers jersey for your letters. This can't be from your "network" as they take consignments, right? Please elaborate.

I can't believe this is the first of all the items you authenticated outside of your "network" and you got caught making a major error? Why don't you also explain what your "network" is.

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That is why we are updating our data base to include a different option style letter and as always only items that come directly from my contacts on the team will receive our standard letter.

Dan dceniceros248@yahoo.com 323.257.4898

Also, you mention you have "contacts" on the team - Do multiple contacts with the Los Angeles Lakers sell you game used equipment? Not just a ball boy, there are several contacts who supply you with numerous Kobe Bryant jerseys every year plus other players jerseys?

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I just want to make clear that this is an isolated incident as we just barley started to authenticate Lakers items that were acquired outside our network. We mention in all of our letters on items that come directly from us that the items are obtained from an impeccable source because we know where they come from. We have a standard letter that we put on all of our items and when we issued the letter to Ryan we just used our standard letter. Ryan and Mark are not impeccable sources that we use to acquire anything. We are correcting our mistake and are taking measures so that this will never happen again. That is why we are updating our data base to include a different option style letter and as always only items that come directly from my contacts on the team will receive our standard letter.


Dan dceniceros248@yahoo.com 323.257.4898

That is why we are updating our data base to include a different option style letter and as always only items that come directly from my contacts on the team will receive our standard letter.

I meant to say different opinion style letter.

I asked you four questions - Would you please take the time to answer them? If you avoid these questions it will appear you are hiding something.

Here are the four questions I previously asked:

1. How much did you charge Ryan for the autograph and letter?

2. Did you personally witness Kobe autograph this jersey?

3. I didn't try to match it up, but I have been told the font on the back of the jersey doesn't match Kobe gamers. You are regarded as the expert - Can you confirm that the lettering font is an exact match to Kobe rookie gamers?

4. If you state it came from an impeccable source, is that source Ryan or Mark? I don't understand how you use that term but don't have a source from within The Los Angeles Lakers organization as another dealer/collector is the source that has access to players before, during and after games? This is very confusing. How many other Kobe jerseys have you written letters for using this expression believing someone telling you it came from an impeccable source?

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That is why we are updating our data base to include a different option style letter and as always only items that come directly from my contacts on the team will receive our standard letter.

I meant to say different opinion style letter.

[DConLA]

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I just want to make clear that this is an isolated incident as we just barley started to authenticate Lakers items that were acquired outside our network. We mention in all of our letters on items that come directly from us that the items are obtained from an impeccable source because we know where they come from. We have a standard letter that we put on all of our items and when we issued the letter to Ryan we just used our standard letter. Ryan and Mark are not impeccable sources that we use to acquire anything. We are correcting our mistake and are taking measures so that this will never happen again. That is why we are updating our data base to include a different option style letter and as always only items that come directly from my contacts on the team will receive our standard letter.




Dan dceniceros248@yahoo.com 323.257.4898

[Phil316]

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I think the biggest thing to come out of this is finding out the wording of the LOA's which from what I've seen have the same wording on every item with a DC Sports LOA might not mean what everyone thought it meant. It's like what was said earlier, how does anyone know now, what DC Sports Items were sourced directly from the Lakers or from a 3rd party's word that it was sourced from the Lakers. I think from now on, it needs to be more clear, and if it was from a 3rd party, the "comes from an impeccable source who has access to players" needs to be left out. I'm not trying to bash Dan but it just sucks, because it does put a little doubt in all jerseys with a DC Sports LOA, in light in this find.

I agree think of the money people have spent on Kobe Bryant game used jerseys. One would think it would taint the value when this story gets out. As a collector I now feel all of his jerseys should be questioned as we don't know how many more of these are floating around.

[CPuente57]

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I think the biggest thing to come out of this is finding out the wording of the LOA's which from what I've seen have the same wording on every item with a DC Sports LOA might not mean what everyone thought it meant. It's like what was said earlier, how does anyone know now, what DC Sports Items were sourced directly from the Lakers or from a 3rd party's word that it was sourced from the Lakers. I think from now on, it needs to be more clear, and if it was from a 3rd party, the "comes from an impeccable source who has access to players" needs to be left out. I'm not trying to bash Dan but it just sucks, because it does put a little doubt in all jerseys with a DC Sports LOA, in light in this find.