Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jersey

[CPuente57]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

I'm more interested in Dan's response to the authentication of this jersey. Hope he comes out and responds to this thread

[Takuleechch]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

I told you from the start that I had no idea that this jersey came from MS Auctions! I really wish you people would find something better to do with your time than to keep beating a dead horse. The jersey is not in the market any more. End if discussion! Find something else to talk about now.
I will state this for the last time, I was told this jersey came from a collector over seas. I have no reason to lie. All I did was send the jersey in to see if it could be authenticated. Seriously, find something else to talk about. The jersey had been taken off of the market so there is no harm done, other than the fact that my wallet is Significantly lighter at the moment in the aftermath if this whole Debacle.

No offense but that post is a bit ridiculous.

[ryanjerseyb]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

I told you from the start that I had no idea that this jersey came from MS Auctions! I really wish you people would find something better to do with your time than to keep beating a dead horse. The jersey is not in the market any more. End if discussion! Find something else to talk about now.
I will state this for the last time, I was told this jersey came from a collector over seas. I have no reason to lie. All I did was send the jersey in to see if it could be authenticated. Seriously, find something else to talk about. The jersey had been taken off of the market so there is no harm done, other than the fact that my wallet is Significantly lighter at the moment in the aftermath if this whole Debacle.

[trsent]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

So, I contact the seller from the game used jersey on eBay with the following question: "Dear jerseyking55,

Are you sure this is a true rookie Kobe game worn jersey? It looks identical to the Kobe jersey sold two months ago in eBay item #271252678611 that was sold as a blank pro-cut that was professionally lettered."

I receive the following reply shortly after: "Yes, The jersey is sourced from DC Sports as you can see from the LOA"

I honestly bought this jersey thinking it was game worn. I sent it into DC Sports to get their opinion. I was pleased to get the jersey back authenticated. By no means did I know that the jersey was originally purchased from MS Auctions!! If I would have known that, I never would have traded one if my prized Dennis Rodman game worn jerseys for it! Now you can believe me or not, that is the honest to God truth. Now I am out thousands of dollars and am having my name bashed for no reason! The jersey has been pulled from Ebay because of the new knowledge that was brought to my attention. Mr Ceniceros should not be being bashed either. The real crook here is that shady Character out of Wisconsin. This is a real problem we have in the hobby right now is people altering jerseys! This should not happen! I really appreciate mickeymbz coming to my defense when I don't even know the guy. It means a lot and I believe speaks loudly on this whole situation.
Check out my website www.nba-game-worn-jerseys.com

Ryan, your original email answering my question about this jersey states the jersey is "Sourced from DC Sports". I am confused. If you traded for the jersey from Mark, how could it have been sourced from DC Sports?

Mark has emailed me a couple of times today and I told him that he needs to post what he emailed me on this discussion. One sentence from Mark's emails that seems important enough for me to cut and paste:

"The only possibility that Ryan thought it couldbe game worn was that I was somehow mistaken or unknowledgeable of the difference between procut and game worn. I will repeat, I told him upfront the jersey was a PROCUT. I told him upfront the jersey was NOT sold to me as game worn."

Sounds like a big case of someone's not telling the truth here. I hope Mark joins the discussions with all the information he emailed me because his story is much different than Ryan's.

Dan's insight would also help this discussion.

[mickeymbz]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

Mitch just contacted me with a threat. He acts like nobody knows who he is! LMAO!! I just hate that this industry is soo Corrupt!! You don't know who to trust!

lesson to be learned.. profiteers pray on collectors and the uninformed

[Takuleechch]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

Has anybody emailed Dan? He's very good at returning emails.

[mickeymbz]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

A few observations:

1) Thank you Joel for posting in a manner consistent with the forum rules and for keeping the thread on track without speculation, etc.

2) Mick, please refrain from any personal attacks. Also, regarding your comment to Joel that "so use your own name JOE alpert.... I don't give u permission to use mine.." all members are required to register with their first and last name along with contact information. Unlike some sites, we do this so there is certain level of accountability and we are confident this eliminates many unsubstantiated posts that would likely occur if people are allowed to post anonymously. Every member's first and last name is listed on the site. That is part of your agreement to being part of the community. I know you can be very impassioned in your posts but please make sure all future posts are congruent with the forum rules.

3) At this point, I agree that those involved with the situation are the ones most capable of shedding further light on the situation. We will be monitoring this thread and hope the others involved will post.

Please feel free to email me directly for any questions regarding the forum rules. I would like to make sure this thread stays focused on answering some legitimate questions and sticks with substantiated information.

Thanks,
Chris

Chris,, please see past post concerning his use of first and last name. As all members are required to register with first and last name has nothing to do with him using it in a passive aggressive manner to expressive condescension on his level of personal attacks. IF people wish to know my name they can look it up. I don't need to be reminded every sentence what my name is. PLEASe be fair when you levy warnings of who's personal attacking.
Mick W

[mickeymbz]

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I The real crook here is that shady Character out of Wisconsin.

Msauction sold the shirt to someone in Louisiana (surprise where Mmontes lives) Msauction sold the shirt as non-game worn. Montero bought it as such knowing it is merely an issued. Montero knowingly sold a pro-cut to you as an issued for something of value (actually a real rookie would command more than a worm shirt). The deception originates outta LA.

[ChrisCavalier]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

A few observations:

1) Thank you Joel for posting in a manner consistent with the forum rules and for keeping the thread on track without speculation, etc.

2) Mick, please refrain from any personal attacks. Also, regarding your comment to Joel that "so use your own name JOE alpert.... I don't give u permission to use mine.." all members are required to register with their first and last name along with contact information. Unlike some sites, we do this so there is certain level of accountability and we are confident this eliminates many unsubstantiated posts that would likely occur if people are allowed to post anonymously. Every member's first and last name is listed on the site. That is part of your agreement to being part of the community. I know you can be very impassioned in your posts but please make sure all future posts are congruent with the forum rules.

3) At this point, I agree that those involved with the situation are the ones most capable of shedding further light on the situation. We will be monitoring this thread and hope the others involved will post.

Please feel free to email me directly for any questions regarding the forum rules. I would like to make sure this thread stays focused on answering some legitimate questions and sticks with substantiated information.

Thanks,
Chris

[ryanjerseyb]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

Mitch just contacted me with a threat. He acts like nobody knows who he is! LMAO!! I just hate that this industry is soo Corrupt!! You don't know who to trust!

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

I honestly bought this jersey thinking it was game worn. I sent it into DC Sports to get their opinion. I was pleased to get the jersey back authenticated. By no means did I know that the jersey was originally purchased from MS Auctions!! If I would have known that, I never would have traded one if my prized Dennis Rodman game worn jerseys for it! Now you can believe me or not, that is the honest to God truth. Now I am out thousands of dollars and am having my name bashed for no reason! The jersey has been pulled from Ebay because of the new knowledge that was brought to my attention. Mr Ceniceros should not be being bashed either. The real crook here is that shady Character out of Wisconsin. This is a real problem we have in the hobby right now is people altering jerseys! This should not happen! I really appreciate mickeymbz coming to my defense when I don't even know the guy. It means a lot and I believe speaks loudly on this whole situation.
Check out my website www.nba-game-worn-jerseys.com

You may have some recourse. It would take some work on your end and it would depend on how far you want to take it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/mitchell-schumacher-pleads-guilty-mail-fraud-wednesday-illinois-federal-court-article-1.982256

[CPuente57]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

The only question I have then, and I'm not accusing anyone or anything, just curious, why Dan would authenticate the jersey and keep that "The above mentioned jersey shows accurate wear and was obtained by an impeccable source inside the NBA who has access to player before, during and after games" line in the LOA? I assumed all of his stuff with their LOA came directly from Dan and his sources?

[ryanjerseyb]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

I honestly bought this jersey thinking it was game worn. I sent it into DC Sports to get their opinion. I was pleased to get the jersey back authenticated. By no means did I know that the jersey was originally purchased from MS Auctions!! If I would have known that, I never would have traded one if my prized Dennis Rodman game worn jerseys for it! Now you can believe me or not, that is the honest to God truth. Now I am out thousands of dollars and am having my name bashed for no reason! The jersey has been pulled from Ebay because of the new knowledge that was brought to my attention. Mr Ceniceros should not be being bashed either. The real crook here is that shady Character out of Wisconsin. This is a real problem we have in the hobby right now is people altering jerseys! This should not happen! I really appreciate mickeymbz coming to my defense when I don't even know the guy. It means a lot and I believe speaks loudly on this whole situation.
Check out my website www.nba-game-worn-jerseys.com

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

Joel - Interesting thread. On the date of the original auction, was/is MSauctions still being run by Mitchell Schumacher?

Jim

PS - So much for LOA's and buying Super-Star jerseys.

[mickeymbz]

Re: Altered Kobe Bryant Pro-Cut Jersey Being Advertised on eBay with D. C. Sports LOA as Game Used Rookie Jers

" Sorry you don't like that but I like to address people I'm having a discussion with about a serious industry injustice. If you don't wish to be addressed by your real name you shouldn't join a discussion."

lol...besides the originators of this site.,your the only one that uses your real name Joe Alpert. so I guess everyone who doesn't use their real name shouldn't join a discussion.. lets drop the first last name schtick.. u can call me mick.. that is my real name. .. u wanna use first and last name and feel important,,will that's your call