Underpriced / Overpriced Oddities

[kingjammy24]

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The reasons Bo Jackson items bring top dollar: he is revered all over the country--particularly Alabama, KC, Oakland/LA, Chicago, Anaheim, (note: LA and Chicago are the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in the US = HUGE fan base), his GU items are scarce, many consider him to be the greatest athlete ever, and he did it CLEAN.

Watch this amazing highlight reel and let me know who is as exciting to watch as Bo?:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1893021144722060873

Trying to compare another mere mortal to Bo is akin to comparing them to Superman. They always fail in comparison. No other athlete is compared to Bo because who else can run a 4.19 forty, and hit Ruthian homeruns? It would be laughable. Even when stacked up against HOF'ers and supposedly great athletes Bo makes them look like chumps. There are plenty of players where you have to think to yourself: "What is their most memorable/remarkable play?" What did they do that displayed greatness?" For Bo the reverse is true: "Which of this never ending highlight reel of freakish, mind-blowing plays should I pick?"

His body of work is not just 4 years in the NFL and 8 years in MLB (playing two professional sports at the same time nonetheless), but also 4 years of completely dominating D-I football winning the Heisman Trophy and entry to the Collegiate Football HOF, as well as amazing feats in track and baseball. His sports marketing acomplishments and pop culture significance are icing on the cake.

Some collectors are more into the professional athlete "lifetime achievement" category, while some appreciate the amazing awe inspiring athlete.

On the eighth day God created Bo Jackson.

wow! all wrapped up in a deceptive .250 career batting avg. all the strikeouts were probably a part of his master plan..to..avoid..getting on base..or something. never able to crack more than 32 HRs in a season, i'm guessing bo was holding back his monstrous power on purpose lest he send a shot into orbit and knock a planet out of alignment...or just to avoid scoring more runs. ripken once hit 34 HRs. ruthian!

revered by so many hundreds of millions of adoring fans that he made the all-star team once in 8 years. again, part of his master plan...to..avoid racking up the awards...thus..saving money on shelf space.

have you considered loaning your jackson jerseys to the louvre? or the smithsonian? or would they just make the mona lisa or the wright flyer look like worthless trinkets? you could possibly sell them and use the money to buy new york city. of course, then you'd be only be known as the guy who owns new york city which pales in comparison to the being the guy with a bo jackson jersey. humility has its perks though.

rudy.

[byergo]

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The reasons Bo Jackson items bring top dollar: he is revered all over the country--particularly Alabama, KC, Oakland/LA, Chicago, Anaheim, (note: LA and Chicago are the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in the US = HUGE fan base), his GU items are scarce, many consider him to be the greatest athlete ever, and he did it CLEAN.

Watch this amazing highlight reel and let me know who is as exciting to watch as Bo?:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1893021144722060873

Trying to compare another mere mortal to Bo is akin to comparing them to Superman. They always fail in comparison. No other athlete is compared to Bo because who else can run a 4.19 forty, and hit Ruthian homeruns? It would be laughable. Even when stacked up against HOF'ers and supposedly great athletes Bo makes them look like chumps. There are plenty of players where you have to think to yourself: "What is their most memorable/remarkable play?" What did they do that displayed greatness?" For Bo the reverse is true: "Which of this never ending highlight reel of freakish, mind-blowing plays should I pick?"

His body of work is not just 4 years in the NFL and 8 years in MLB (playing two professional sports at the same time nonetheless), but also 4 years of completely dominating D-I football winning the Heisman Trophy and entry to the Collegiate Football HOF, as well as amazing feats in track and baseball. His sports marketing acomplishments and pop culture significance are icing on the cake.

Some collectors are more into the professional athlete "lifetime achievement" category, while some appreciate the amazing awe inspiring athlete.

On the eighth day God created Bo Jackson.

[kingjammy24]

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...Players you mentioned McGriff, Winfield, raines were all great players but they all made there numbers with out any pizazz which is what interests alot of people espcially people who don't normally buy into the hobby.

Brett - remembered for the pine tar incident - Show me a game used Brett bat with Pine Tar, I'll show you ten buyers.
Ripken - remembered for breaking Gherigs record - Show me a game used bat of his, i'll show you pleny of buyers
McGriff - yes he hit alot of home runs quietly over years - but to be honest with you what is he really remembered for that sticks out other then just playing??..
Especially every day that goes by the collectors are getting younger and younger. They are going to compete to get the guys they heard of Brett, ripken. Mcgriff whooo???

what was mattingly's "pizazz" then? what's exciting things is he remembered for? playing on some bad yankees teams? never going to the world series? breaking no records? crapping out after only 6 seasons? because his bats go for a mint. the only thing that comes to mind is the time he refused to cut his mullet. in a way, mattingly reminds me of dale murphy, except that murphy lasted longer than 6 seasons and won 2 MVPs compared to mattingly's 1. is there any interest in dale murphy bats? mattingly's bats are rare but so are mcgriffs' from the same pre-1990 time frame.

you say ripken's premium comes from breaking gehrig's record. where's henderson's premium then for breaking lou brock's record? it's not there. both them are non-HR records yet only ripkens seems to have added a premium. ripken is remembered for breaking gehrig's record but henderson isn't remembered for breaking brocks'? any way you slice it, ripken and mattingly prices are pretty strange.

rudy.

[FastLane80]

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Undervalued:
Fernando Valenzuela. For the icon he was, I'd think his stuff would fetch more than it has.

[corsairs22]

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Suave
That is a good point about the Black Sox items. Of course, harldy anybody would have wanted their bats, autographs etc. from the 20's thru the early 60's. It was only when they died off and the book came out that they came to be seen as romantic outlaws rather than as crooks or traitors. I imagine it will take a few decades before Bonds, Clemens, etc. become victims in the public imagination.

[suave1477]

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good responses and i agree with most of them. interesting to see there's pretty much a consensus of who's undervalued. great underpriced examples of mcgriff (493 clean HRs!), winfield, and especially raines who spent his entire career underrated.

also completely agree with the overpriced examples of mattingly ($2k+ for a bat of a non-HOFer who didn't set any records?) and ripken. boggs, gwynn, and puckett (all HOF'ers, all 3000-hit members) were what mattingly was supposed to be had he not crapped out so early and yet mattingly's bats are worth twice what boggs', gwynns', and pucketts are worth. supply explains some of it but i don't see a lot of nice early-career boggs, gwynns, or winfields flying around. i don't even see a lot of nice early career mcgriffs around and his bats go for peanuts. who knew hitting 493 clean HRs would be worth so little.

while i agree that the HR has been devalued ever since bonds made a complete mockery of it and hit 73 (73! very subtle barry! he may as well have hit 120) but you'd think that'd place an even bigger premium on clean sluggers like griffey, mcgriff, and thomas and it hasn't really. ripken and brett were never really HR guys and their items go for more than sluggers like mcgriff and thomas. (ripken still confuses me. small-market team, sub-500 HRs, sub-.300 hitter, good supply of his bats floating around and i never quite understood the excitement behind a consecutive-game streak).

mcgwire also confuses me. at one point, sosa was very popular (had his own pepsi commercials!) yet his popularity completely died out. on the other hand, despite everyone believing that mcgwire juiced it from beginning to end, he's still got a large enough fan base to support these high prices? at this point, it's becoming apparent that mcgwire is not getting into the HOF. yet his values are still at HOF prices. every other big-name steroid star was kicked to the curb, except mcgwire. his bats may be in relative short supply but does that matter if the majority of his career has one huge asterisk? solid bonds gamers are in short supply and folks couldn't care less. jeff kranz took a bath when he unloaded his bonds items. yet mcgwire juiced all he wanted and it doesn't really seem to have affected his collectability. maybe fans don't care as much about steroids as they let on? maybe if you're a friendly, HR-hitting, elbow-basher you'll get a free pass?

it seems popularity plays a huge role. you can miss the HOF and juice it your entire career but if you somehow manage to remain popular, then your items will be worth more than your peers who made the HOF and didn't juice it. crazy. sounds like collectors might be better off looking at popularity than stats.

rudy.

Again KingJammy your correct on everything and answered your own question to a point.... Yes popularity plays a huge role... but.... this is nothing new this goes for any kind of hobby. This isn't something that just poppped up for the Game Used Hobby.
Players you mentioned McGriff, Winfield, raines were all great players but they all made there numbers with out any pizazz which is what interests alot of people espcially people who don't normally buy into the hobby.

Brett - remembered for the pine tar incident - Show me a game used Brett bat with Pine Tar, I'll show you ten buyers.
Ripken - remembered for breaking Gherigs record - Show me a game used bat of his, i'll show you pleny of buyers

McGriff - yes he hit alot of home runs quietly over years - but to be honest with you what is he really remembered for that sticks out other then just playing??
(Now I am not saying he hasn't done anything, but nothing I remember, so if he did do something how memorable can it be to collectors who never heard of him)

Especially every day that goes by the collectors are getting younger and younger. They are going to compete to get the guys they heard of Brett, ripken. Mcgriff whooo???

You say collectors rather the roid guys over the clean ones, yes and no.

Here is my example I gave someone a few weeks back - 1919 Black Sox the biggest cheaters in the game to this day - But imagine if someone offered you an Ed Cicotte Jersey or Buck Weaver bat. Would you turn it down??? because they were cheaters??? Maybe you would, but I wouldn't and many other collectors wouldn't. Why?? beacause they were cheaters??? No because they were involved in one of the biggest scandals in history!!!

Human Interest = Popularity + Rare Item = High Premium


Somoeone here said Pudge is undervalued??? How is that so??? His items sell for a high premium and he is not even worth it. In my opinion he is over valued

Cano over valued

While with the Yankees Sheffield i felt started becoming a bit over valued, but his prices have dropped to where I think they should be.

[Yankwood]

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Undervalued:
McGriff
Winfield
Alomar
Pudge
Sheffield
Thomas
Rickey

All HOFers whose bats you can get for under $300 on ebay.

Overvauled:
All Yankees/Red Sox bats
All JT Bats

Winfield played a good part of his career with the Yankees, so obviously it's not ALL Yankees bats. However most of the time, I think it's true.

[Yankwood]

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Am I the only one who disagrees with this statement? Boggs was better than Brett?? Go ahead, take that .328 average full of singles slapped to to left. I'll take the 200+ homers, 500+ RBI, and fiery leadership. Boggs was a selfish SOB to play with, Brett just wanted to win.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Not to derail or intercept the post because I think it's a good one, but I agree with you. I'll take Brett over Boggs in a heartbeat. And I don't really think it's that close.

[kingjammy24]

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good responses and i agree with most of them. interesting to see there's pretty much a consensus of who's undervalued. great underpriced examples of mcgriff (493 clean HRs!), winfield, and especially raines who spent his entire career underrated.

also completely agree with the overpriced examples of mattingly ($2k+ for a bat of a non-HOFer who didn't set any records?) and ripken. boggs, gwynn, and puckett (all HOF'ers, all 3000-hit members) were what mattingly was supposed to be had he not crapped out so early and yet mattingly's bats are worth twice what boggs', gwynns', and pucketts are worth. supply explains some of it but i don't see a lot of nice early-career boggs, gwynns, or winfields flying around. i don't even see a lot of nice early career mcgriffs around and his bats go for peanuts. who knew hitting 493 clean HRs would be worth so little.

while i agree that the HR has been devalued ever since bonds made a complete mockery of it and hit 73 (73! very subtle barry! he may as well have hit 120) but you'd think that'd place an even bigger premium on clean sluggers like griffey, mcgriff, and thomas and it hasn't really. ripken and brett were never really HR guys and their items go for more than sluggers like mcgriff and thomas. (ripken still confuses me. small-market team, sub-500 HRs, sub-.300 hitter, good supply of his bats floating around and i never quite understood the excitement behind a consecutive-game streak).

mcgwire also confuses me. at one point, sosa was very popular (had his own pepsi commercials!) yet his popularity completely died out. on the other hand, despite everyone believing that mcgwire juiced it from beginning to end, he's still got a large enough fan base to support these high prices? at this point, it's becoming apparent that mcgwire is not getting into the HOF. yet his values are still at HOF prices. every other big-name steroid star was kicked to the curb, except mcgwire. his bats may be in relative short supply but does that matter if the majority of his career has one huge asterisk? solid bonds gamers are in short supply and folks couldn't care less. jeff kranz took a bath when he unloaded his bonds items. yet mcgwire juiced all he wanted and it doesn't really seem to have affected his collectability. maybe fans don't care as much about steroids as they let on? maybe if you're a friendly, HR-hitting, elbow-basher you'll get a free pass?

it seems popularity plays a huge role. you can miss the HOF and juice it your entire career but if you somehow manage to remain popular, then your items will be worth more than your peers who made the HOF and didn't juice it. crazy. sounds like collectors might be better off looking at popularity than stats.

rudy.

[Nnunnari]

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Undervalued:
McGriff
Winfield
Alomar
Pudge
Sheffield
Thomas
Rickey

All HOFers whose bats you can get for under $300 on ebay.

Overvauled:
All Yankees/Red Sox bats
All JT Bats

[earlywynnfan]

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Ya I guess because collectors putting together championship team bats, and O'Neill was on a number of them. jones bats still bring good money. I really think Griffey is underpriced, may be one of the only clean players of the last twenty years.
George Brett bats are also way overpriced. Wade Boggs was better, and his bats dont bring near to what Bretts does.
Bretts career BA .305
Boggs career BA .328

Am I the only one who disagrees with this statement? Boggs was better than Brett?? Go ahead, take that .328 average full of singles slapped to to left. I'll take the 200+ homers, 500+ RBI, and fiery leadership. Boggs was a selfish SOB to play with, Brett just wanted to win.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[Fnazxc0114]

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Defintions:

Underpriced - what I own and can't afford to sell

Overpriced - what I want and can't afford to buy

that pretty much sums it up right there.

[jetersbatboy]

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overpriced: japanese ball players. supply and demand. more demand from international collectors who are willing to pay whatever it takes.

I am one of those that over pay for Japanese baseball items...But its still fun to collect... OVER PRICED: YOUNG PROSPECTS THAT HAVE ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO GOOD SEASON'S(Longoria, Fielder, Etc). UNDER PRICED: CURRENT HOF'S (HENDERSON, MURRAY, WINFEILD, BOGGS, ETC

[Rboitano]

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How about Ryan Zimmerman, hasnt really done anything. He is way overpriced! Hanley Ramirez is undervalued.

[Vintagedeputy]

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Plus Posada pees on his hands......

What? Doesnt everyone?