Game Issued that appear Game Used

[MarinersFan34]

Re: Game Issued that appear Game Used

And by the way, members......if YOU all think Steiner's COA's are God's word......then I think you all need to spend a bit more time reading these posts. They make numerous mistakes.

Hopefully this is one in your favor, Andrew.

Gotta agree here, so far this whole thing is all based on a COA, a 3 cent sheet of paper with text on it. Forget what the item looks like or smells like in this case, that paper is the end all be all. Dang.. LL was onto something, all his stuff is golden, what were we all thinking to question any of it. Nobody ever makes mistakes, COA's are THE final word.

I have an item from Steiner that says GI, but has some marks/stains on it. Doesn't smell that I can tell from opening the bag but it's some pants so I'm not jamming my nose into some pants issued or otherwise. I bought them as issued and if I ever sold them, I'd list them as issued but have the extremely small possibility of being worn once as they are not pristine.

I guess it all depends on people's persepectives and their full discloure of items they sell. The COA on any item I buy is one small piece of the equation but by no means is the asolute single piece of provenance that determines what the item is.

[joelsabi]

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Andrew,
This will be my last post in this thread since I see you changed the title of your listing which is all I wanted to see to begin with.

However why don't you just end the auction, and try your best to photomatch this jersey using every resource out there? You might have a potential gem in your hand. If this indeed was an error on Steiner's part why should anyone besides you benefit from their error?

Goh

andrew,

first i think your description of the item has as much disclosure as possible and i commend you for initiating this post prior to posting the item on ebay.

maybe ending the auction would be nice until you find a photomatch. who ever is in possession of the item holds the risk until a photomatch can be found. whoever has the risk will reap the rewards when the photomatch is found.

i would hold off on using the fabrege while others here hunt down photo for you but then again how does the bo affect the photomatch?


i am one of those people that wants a pristine jersey for a game issued item so i hope this is found to be game used.

good luck.

joel

[DonFan23]

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Unfortunately I don't have enough time now to write the lengthy post that this thread deserves, but here are a few quick points to note:

1 - To Joel's point, Steiner does not opperate like MeiGray, with locker room access, tagging what comes off a player's back as it happens. They receive/pcik up shipments from the Yanks and do their best from there.

2 - As Brad noted, Steiner will not re-cert due to an error on their part, no matter how improper the original was. I unfortunately have personal experience with this one as well. However, shifting their process on this would cause more problems in the long run (for a larger pool of items that could then be brought into question) than it would remedy.

3 - As BOT9 (Andrew's biggiset critic in all this) said himself and as we all preach "...do your homework." I can't tell you how many mislabeled YS LOAs I've seen, including those of items in my own collection. "Minty" items with crisp tags whose LOAs state "game used" and vice versa, are all too common.

• Last week I received a "game issued" pair of pants that have holes in the rear bottom above the elastic hem where the player would hook the pants beneath his rear spikes.
• I have a "circa 2000 game issued home jersey" (player attribution) that couldn't possibly be a 2000 due to the tagging, etc, that shows light use, and that I've photomatched to 2002 regular season and postseason game use by a more-than-inconsequential player.
• The list goes on and on, just speaking of items that have passed through my hands or are still in my collection.
• On ebay right now are at least a half dozen items in my watchlist that the sellers likely used the LOAs to come up with their titles, but can't possibly be as listed just based on a cursory examination solely based on the limited photos posted (with no further info or pics requested from the seller).

Not faulting the sellers on those in the last bullet, as they're listing the items as the LOAs read. However, is it only on the buyers to do their homework? Don't people fault the auction houses with regularity for not doing their homework, but now Andrew is suddenly at fault for doing his?

Knowing enough to come to a conclusion about the authenticity and use characteristics of an item (or lack thereof) isn't meant only for proving that something reported as game worn is not or cannot be. Sometimes it's the other way around. Life is a two-way street, and so is game used collecting.

[allstarsplus]

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andrew,

first i think your description of the item has as much disclosure as possible and i commend you for initiating this post prior to posting the item on ebay.

maybe ending the auction would be nice until you find a photomatch. who ever is in possession of the item holds the risk until a photomatch can be found. whoever has the risk will reap the rewards when the photomatch is found.

i would hold off on using the fabrege while others here hunt down photo for you but then again how does the bo affect the photomatch?


i am one of those people that wants a pristine jersey for a game issued item so i hope this is found to be game used.

good luck.

joel

Joel - Great points, but I have 5 bids and already emails from people wanting to outright buy it so at this point so I will let it run its course and if someone comes up with a photomatch then they will get a steal because even if the bids go above $1,000, the winner will only have to pay $1,000 or I may stop it early and award it to the high bid at that point.

There is a home game issued 2008 on eBay for $1,100 so I know someone will be getting a great jersey no matter what. I had purchased 2 Mariano's so I do have another pristine game issued never used 2008 Mariano so I would allow the winner to take that if they want a non-smelly.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=mariano+rivera+game+issued&_sacat=See-All-Categories

On a related note, BottomOfThe9th called me this morning and the conversation was much better than the back and forth on here. He is a major Mariano Rivera collector and said his interest in this jersey was to be fair to all potential bidders. I am fine with that as I always want full disclosure. There is nothing to hide here and never was as I took great photos and described it clearly.

In a strange turn, I saw the auction Goh has for last worn pants by Cody Ransom and Kyle's photomatch to say it is NOT the right pants so it is amazing again with items you think are one thing and really are another and they have MLB holo and Steiner COA so maybe he changed pants during the game. Goh, are you going to stop your auction as Kyle Hess has shown those are not the pants for the final out. http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=23654

http://cgi.ebay.com/CODY-RANSOM-GAME-USED-PANTS-FINAL-OUT-2008-YANKEE-JETER_W0QQitemZ120384569826QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item120384569826&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1309

[BULBUS]

Re: Game Issued that appear Game Used

As Brad noted, Steiner will not re-cert due to an error on their part, no matter how improper the original was. I unfortunately have personal experience with this one as well. However, shifting their process on this would cause more problems in the long run (for a larger pool of items that could then be brought into question) than it would remedy.

RJ,

I have seen Steiner re-cert a jersey. I sold a jersey that was clearly not what the LOA stated and the buyer was able to get a new LOA issued that better described the jersey.

-Chris

[gnishiyama]

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Andrew,
Its already ended. Kyle saved me from a lot of trouble.
The pants are for sale if anyone is interested.
Thanks
Goh

[allstarsplus]

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Andrew,
Its already ended. Kyle saved me from a lot of trouble.
The pants are for sale if anyone is interested.
Thanks
Goh

Goh - Rumor has been that the players got to wear 2 jerseys for the game so maybe 2 pairs of pants too.

I also have 4 pairs of pants from the Final Game that I got from Steiner, but haven't attempted any photo matches. Kyle Hess is amazing at these photomatches as he doesn't let a stitch go un-noticed.

[DonFan23]

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RJ,

I have seen Steiner re-cert a jersey. I sold a jersey that was clearly not what the LOA stated and the buyer was able to get a new LOA issued that better described the jersey.

-Chris

Chris,

Agreed. In my haste I didn't go into enough detail. What I was referring to in my original post was where the LOA notes "game issued" where game use is clearly evident, as was apparently the case with Andrew's jersey.

Regards,

R.J.

[joelsabi]

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Goh - Rumor has been that the players got to wear 2 jerseys for the game so maybe 2 pairs of pants too.

I also have 4 pairs of pants from the Final Game that I got from Steiner, but haven't attempted any photo matches. Kyle Hess is amazing at these photomatches as he doesn't let a stitch go un-noticed.

i found two ransom pants for that day. LH167415 and LH167369

[allstarsplus]

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Chris,

Agreed. In my haste I didn't go into enough detail. What I was referring to in my original post was where the LOA notes "game issued" where game use is clearly evident, as was apparently the case with Andrew's jersey.

Regards,

R.J.

I didn't even ask the question but my Rep said they would only re-cert it to correct the "Arm Band" that isn't on the jersey and would leave it at "Game Issued".

[allstarsplus]

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i found two ransom pants for that day. LH167415 and LH167369

There you go and great work to confirm that rumor. Goh's pants were the LH167369.

[gnishiyama]

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Andrew,
I never knew that information about the 2 jerseys. That makes sense. It also would make a lot more sense that Cody would actually keep those pants himself. Had I known I would of done more research before creating such a bold listing.

Anyways I also have up for bidding right now a game used un-washed Robinson Cano pants from that same game >

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=120384572367

If believe I have a solid photomatch and I have listed as so so if anyone (KYLE) can prove these are not the exact pants please let me know asap.

Here are the pics. (please note pinstripes by the belt loop, front zipper, rear posterior)

[shafrancollectibles.com]

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i found two ransom pants for that day. LH167415 and LH167369

LH 167415 are actually authenticated as Batting Practice Pants from 9/21/08 - a pair I had and subsequently sold.

[joelsabi]

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There you go and great work to confirm that rumor. Goh's pants were the LH167369.

LH167415 are batting practice pants maybe taken off after the pregame ceremonies.

[joelsabi]

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Goh - Rumor has been that the players got to wear 2 jerseys for the game so maybe 2 pairs of pants too.

I also have 4 pairs of pants from the Final Game that I got from Steiner, but haven't attempted any photo matches. Kyle Hess is amazing at these photomatches as he doesn't let a stitch go un-noticed.

at least mariano rivero wore 2 game used pants for mariano rivera for that day.

LH167373 and LH167402

no other player has two pants listed.

and bernie williams pants says game used in the mlb database