My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

[nationals2k9]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Michael,

I was offered this exact glove in 2009 and I can prove it's not legit and has been altered since I have seen it. It's not from the sale where Phil went to Manny's apartment, did Phil tell you that?

Bobby

Bobby, you're killing me with the wait!

Please email me michael_benko@yahoo.com or post for all of us on here what evidence you have. I'm fielding lots of calls and emails from people that want to know and most importantly in this case I need to know. We've essentially retraced the glove back to Manny and it's only been with one owner after Phil and never offered for sale to anyone. Apparently it was still in the original bag up until last week when the photos were done. Even Phil has been reached for comment. Thanks in advance!

[CampWest]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!



Two things concern me... The lace on the middle web off the index finger. The Getty picture the brown lace is on the "fingers" side of the white seam line, but in the acquired glove its on the thumb side of the white seam line.

Also the getty glove has a brown trim edge on the hand vent hole whereas the acquired glove appears to have black trim edge.

And maybe a non-issue but the thumb laces look longer in the getty image, but of course the difference could be another knot tied since that picture was taken.

I know you are not calling it a photo match, but I think it raises a question and disproves it as a photomatch, unless there is something else I cannot see.
Does it still qualify as a style match with those differences?

[nationals2k9]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

In my eyes that is not style match, look at the piping above the Rawlings logo. The one on Manny is brown, while the one without Manny is black (At least that's what the picture looks like).

Exactly... the STYLE of the gloves is very similar but it's not an identical match (Photomatch). There are just 2 pictures of Manny wearing this style glove in 2003 that come before Oct (playoffs) meaning over 150+ reg season games, ST games, workouts, etc without anything to go from.

[LastingsMilledge85]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

In my eyes that is not style match, look at the piping above the Rawlings logo. The one on Manny is brown, while the one without Manny is black (At least that's what the picture looks like).

[murfsteve25]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

I made a mistake in my initial description linking it to that sale. I just saw Phil had a tie to it and made my own conclusion. But it does still have Sportsworld tied to it and I've been told has never been offered to anyone after the original owner got it straight from Phil. It took me months and months to even get pictures of it so it's hard to believe it was out being shopped around. Interested to hear what you have to say!

interested in hearing about this also

[allstarsplus]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

I made a mistake in my initial description linking it to that sale. I just saw Phil had a tie to it and made my own conclusion. But it does still have Sportsworld tied to it and I've been told has never been offered to anyone after the original owner got it straight from Phil. It took me months and months to even get pictures of it so it's hard to believe it was out being shopped around. Interested to hear what you have to say!

Mike you have definitely gone the extra mile even including calls to Rawlings. The Manny Ramirez red embroidery looks good and even the placement where the "M" in Manny is next to that crease.

I know you are saying a "style match" and not claiming a photo match which I think is a good call.

[nationals2k9]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Michael,

I was offered this exact glove in 2009 and I can prove it's not legit and has been altered since I have seen it. It's not from the sale where Phil went to Manny's apartment, did Phil tell you that?

Bobby

I made a mistake in my initial description linking it to that sale. I just saw Phil had a tie to it and made my own conclusion. But it does still have Sportsworld tied to it and I've been told has never been offered to anyone after the original owner got it straight from Phil. It took me months and months to even get pictures of it so it's hard to believe it was out being shopped around. Interested to hear what you have to say!

[allstarsplus]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Michael,

I was offered this exact glove in 2009 and I can prove it's not legit and has been altered since I have seen it. It's not from the sale where Phil went to Manny's apartment, did Phil tell you that?

Bobby

Can I add an UH-OH. Mike, I hope it works out. You definitely style matched it to the Getty photos.

Please report back after you talk to Bobby!

[nationals2k9]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Michael,

I was offered this exact glove in 2009 and I can prove it's not legit and has been altered since I have seen it. It's not from the sale where Phil went to Manny's apartment, did Phil tell you that?

Bobby

Please email me to discuss - michael_benko@yahoo.com

Thanks Bobby.

Michael

[gameused]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

That's really cool. I'm not 100% this glove was from the historic sale so I probably shouldn't maintain it was. I just know the path I took to find this thing was through a very tight-knit group of private Red Sox/Manny guys that have some of the biggest authentic collections around. During the time it was acquired, Sportsworld was the authority on Red Sox game-used from what I can tell.

Michael,

I was offered this exact glove in 2009 and I can prove it's not legit and has been altered since I have seen it. It's not from the sale where Phil went to Manny's apartment, did Phil tell you that?

Bobby

[nationals2k9]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Very cool. I have a 2004 jersey from the Manny Firesale. The LOA I got is hand written by Phil. I have a copy of the Boston Globe newspaper article about Manny's sale if you want it.

That's really cool. I'm not 100% this glove was from the historic sale so I probably shouldn't maintain it was. I just know the path I took to find this thing was through a very tight-knit group of private Red Sox/Manny guys that have some of the biggest authentic collections around. During the time it was acquired, Sportsworld was the authority on Red Sox game-used from what I can tell.

[allstarsplus]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

That's what I'd say. Classic sloppy handwriting. Explains why he has other people write 24 and 99 on his bats sometimes.

Mike - Great pickup and you did a good job doing your homework. That may be the best you can do with items of Manny unless they are MLB hologram'd.

There is never an easy transaction with Manny as I can attest to from my personal encounter with Manny in 2008 regarding his 500 HR jersey.

As even his friends say, Manny is Manny. I guess that sums it up.

[Rob L]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Very cool. I have a 2004 jersey from the Manny Firesale. The LOA I got is hand written by Phil. I have a copy of the Boston Globe newspaper article about Manny's sale if you want it.

[nationals2k9]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Very cool. Is the MAR for Manuel Aristides Ramirez on the label? the middle letter is kinda blurred in the photo.

That's what I'd say. Classic sloppy handwriting. Explains why he has other people write 24 and 99 on his bats sometimes.

[joelsabi]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

I will have this in-hand as early as today. Glove dates to May ’03 and shows lots of use and dirt along with Manny’s initials “MAR” and number “24” inscribed on the red labeling. Originally from Phil Castinetti / Sportsworld and the now well documented transaction with Manny where Mr. Castinetti went right to Manny’s house and bought a large amount of memorabilia. So far I have only been able to get a very solid style match on the glove (piping around top of hand cutout is brown vs. black in the few images I’ve uncovered) but the use and provenance is amazing and I couldn’t be happier to add this to my collection!

Very cool. Is the MAR for Manuel Aristides Ramirez on the label? the middle letter is kinda blurred in the photo.