My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

[Phil316]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

I emailed Mears about it. Hopefully they do the right thing and remove it.

[diwhite]

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I posted this on another thread already, but it looks like the glove has surfaced again:

http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=76444

[nationals2k9]

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This is the best part of the situation. I'm happy that Mike is getting his money back, but im curious to know why the glove was sold as game used? My thinking on all of this was that whoever Mike bought the glove from, that person obtained it from the guy who bought all the stuff from Manny. Was this not the case? Just wondering what the true history behind the glove is...

You're right. Talk to me offline michael_benko@yahoo.com and I can fill you in Steve. Money has been returned and for me, story put to rest.

[murfsteve25]

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Mike has been promised all of his money back!

This is the best part of the situation. I'm happy that Mike is getting his money back, but im curious to know why the glove was sold as game used? My thinking on all of this was that whoever Mike bought the glove from, that person obtained it from the guy who bought all the stuff from Manny. Was this not the case? Just wondering what the true history behind the glove is...

[allstarsplus]

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Sorry to nitpick, but it is not a style-match. If there are differences between the two styles (e.g., color of piping), then it cannot be a style-match. A style-match is where the item looks identical to what is shown in the in-action photo, but a photo-match cannot be determined (due to low resolution of the in-action photo, insufficient unique characteristics of the item, etc.).

Style match probably wasn't a 100% accurate term as there were differences, but Mike went through a lot of due dilligence to make sure it was a Manny Ramirez player model glove right down to the color of the piping and Web Design as he called the Pro Glove dept at Rawlings.

He checked photos and talked to people and relied on the advice he was given. Also keep in mind the back story Mike was given for the provenance. It sounded at worst a backup glove and at best a game used which is why the price was $1,500 and not $3,000.

At the end of the day, Bobby saved to the day.

I think for Mike and collectors here, the GUU community stepped up and Mike has been promised all of his money back!

[FENWAY]

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Uh oh, hope my # 24 Sox issued is legit

[sportscentury]

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I have no contact with Phil so I have no idea when he got it. I'm unsure when the guy who bought from Phil got it b/c that was being handled by the 3rd party who you are familiar with that is just asking you email him b/c he doesn't have your email. Some people don't like to get caught up in all of this chatter and I don't blame them fpr being more private than others. I'm free to discuss whatever on this forum but it's not me that knows all of the behind the scenes stuff. Again, you know who the guy with the new name is. He just got a new email and changed some things. Thanks

Doesn't this new user have a name registered with GUU? This would be easy enough to check. What am I missing?

[sportscentury]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

Sorry to nitpick, but it is not a style-match. If there are differences between the two styles (e.g., color of piping), then it cannot be a style-match. A style-match is where the item looks identical to what is shown in the in-action photo, but a photo-match cannot be determined (due to low resolution of the in-action photo, insufficient unique characteristics of the item, etc.).

[nationals2k9]

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Any more information on this situation? I'm very interested in seeing what happens from here.

Michael: Did you purchase the glove? Or were you lucky enough to find out all this information right before you pulled out your wallet?

-Steve

I'll give you two boring answers for now: everything is being looked at and hopefully taken care of & I'm financially fine with this one!

[murfsteve25]

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Any more information on this situation? I'm very interested in seeing what happens from here.

Michael: Did you purchase the glove? Or were you lucky enough to find out all this information right before you pulled out your wallet?

-Steve

[CampWest]

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I wonder if the LOA even belongs to this glove.

Good question. I'm always leary of pieces of paper that cannot be linked specifically to an item, ie no numbering or meaningful description to tie items in, we had a similar discussion about a UDA George Brett glove on here a couple weeks ago, similarly the UDA letter just said "glove" or something and could not definitively be attributed to the glove that was being sold... The most specific this letter gets is "Rawlings glove". Hmm, tough to commit that to specifically this Rawlings glove moreso than any other Rawlings glove. Also I'm leary of the wording "used by". Doesn't say used in an official MLB game or anything like that, so I wonder what constitutes "used by" in their minds. Did he put it on to keep his hand warm in the dugout. Did he "use" it in pregame warm-ups. Did he "use" it as a gift to a friend or another player. Or did he just pick it up and try it on before discarding it. The vagueness concerns me in LOAs like this one. I'd be hard pressed to prove that Manny never "used" it and thats the only assertion made. Generic and vague LOAs mean little to me and honest authenticators make mistakes or get fooled every once in a while. I'm pretty skeptical by nature (and as required by my career) and to me vague = warning flags.

[Rob L]

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I wonder about the LOA itself. Although the clubhouse attendant source is always a bit dicey, my understanding is that Sportworld is pretty careful with what they sell. I wonder if the LOA even belongs to this glove.

[nationals2k9]

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Michael,

Sounds like the person that asked me to e-mail him has something to hide, he just joined the forum and cant identify himself.

I also asked you a few questions about when the glove was purchased by Phil and when the guy selling it to you bought it from Phil and you have not answered back.

I dont understand why we cant discuss this right here in the open.

Bobby

I have no contact with Phil so I have no idea when he got it. I'm unsure when the guy who bought from Phil got it b/c that was being handled by the 3rd party who you are familiar with that is just asking you email him b/c he doesn't have your email. Some people don't like to get caught up in all of this chatter and I don't blame them fpr being more private than others. I'm free to discuss whatever on this forum but it's not me that knows all of the behind the scenes stuff. Again, you know who the guy with the new name is. He just got a new email and changed some things. Thanks

[gameused]

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Bobby you'll know who this is. It's who I would have sent you to anyway. It sounds like this whole thing will be resolved soon enough. Thanks!

Michael,

Sounds like the person that asked me to e-mail him has something to hide, he just joined the forum and cant identify himself.

I also asked you a few questions about when the glove was purchased by Phil and when the guy selling it to you bought it from Phil and you have not answered back.

I dont understand why we cant discuss this right here in the open.

Bobby

[nationals2k9]

Re: My first Manny Ramirez game-used glove!!!!!

After reviewing carefully everything said I see everyone either failed to mention or missed one of the most biggest pieces to the obvious puzzle.......... now maybe I am wrong but I am judging by the 2 pictures shown. So if I am wrong I apologize ahead of time.

If you look at the actual glove purchased and the one Manny wearing in the Getty photo!!

The Getty photo shows one leather strap down the webbing of the glove and the one purchased shows 2 straps coming down the glove.

Now you may say well it's the angle of the Getty photo you do not see the second one but if you look closely the angles are not that far off and the width of the webbing looks a lot shorter on the one Manny is wearing in the Getty photo than the width on the purchased glove.

There definitely seems like a noticeable width difference in the webbing and one to pay close attention too, which would be the reason it (Getty photo) would only be able to have 1 strap down.

We've got it under control.

The only puzzle here is when the glove was altered to look like Manny used it. We're well past the slight differences in the two gloves pictured. I originally posted just to share what I thought would be a nice pick-up and then this thing went nuts in many directions. Thanks!