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Very fine line with this topic, and I agree, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I have a question before I give my opinion. For the NBA collectors, or those "in the know", do the items JTNBAFAN buys/wins ever come back on the market? Just curious as I am not familiar with NBA items that well.
To the point in general, my feeling is that I am human and I'll get annoyed/mad if I lose out on an item I truly like. However, when it comes to auction items I'll set a maximum I'm willing to pay and should the item go past that and I lose, so be it. If it goes to astronomic numbers, it's easier to get over the loss. If it's fairly close to my budget that an item goes for, I'll kick and scream to myself, but, again, I get over it. In the end, I'm not going to allow myself to worry about paying bills on time for my favorite hobby.
I am happy with my collection and can honestly say with thanks to fellow members here I have added a couple of "holy grail" type items to my collection and they have been very fair in dealings and that has made my enjoyment in the hobby, and this community, that much better.
Collecting is enjoyable and maddening. But I know, no matter what, in the end, none of us are taking any of our collections with us.
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Who exactly is doing that?
I have a full time job. I save up and buy what I can afford. I've even had to sell off some of my cherished items to fund things I have to pay for. I don't "stay home and whine". I just don't like seeing people taking advantage - I know people who wanted certain items but to then see one person buy them all up to list for much higher prices (is happening on NBA auctions a little too) is worrying me, because this kind of behaviour ruins hobbies. It becomes a business, rather than a hobby and it becomes all about profit, rather than people having a chance to buy something they would treasure.Leave a comment:
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"Cohibasmoker" great article that you posted. It really puts things into a different perspective and one that needs to be heard.
I think there are multiple issues at play in this post. The OP commented about "JTnbafan" as well as individuals who flip items for profit. Personally I wish I had the $$$ that "JTnbafan" has and was able to add to my collection at will. There are times when I become frustrated that there is someone else out there with more means to add to their collections than myself. That is life though and we have no control over what other collectors do and how they spend their money. Obviously JT wanted to add the Chalmers to his collection as did another collector as they both bid the shirt up to 6000$. Whatever their reasons were, they had every right to bid whatever they wished as the shirt was sold via NBAAuctions. Just because another fan/collector really wanted it does not mean that they are entitled to it. That's why it was sold at auction.
There have been many items I have missed out on because someone bid more. That is the way it goes. If I absolutely had to have the item I should have bid higher. There have been multiple instances where I have greatly overpaid for a 49er gamer because it fit into my collection nicely. I was not thrilled to overpay but once the shirt arrived, it's cost became irrelevant. Many of the items I have overpaid for are critical pieces of my collection and if someone offered what I paid I would not sell.
As for the flippers they are an inherent part of any collectable hobby. I am always on the lookout for quality items that I might sell but 99% of the time I keep what I buy. I think that if any of us saw a bargain and knew they could resist it and make a hefty profit, we would.
The winner of the Goldin Auctions Joe Montana KC shirt is a good example of this. The winner thought that the Grey Flannel hammer price was a bargain and now the shirt is listed on eBay for 35K! If it does not sell they could potentially lose serious cash. Risk goes with the territory.
No one likes to lose out on items that we would love to add to our collections but losing out from time to time is a fact of life (maybe not for JTnbafan!). It just makes the good score that much sweeter.
Always buying 49er game worn jerseys
Paul
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I snipe as much as possible on ebay. It doesn't make sense to me putting in an early bid when you don't have to. It's done all within the rules of the game and when I do, I place an up to bid which is what I think it is worth to me and what I can afford. If somebody bids higher, I can't do anything about that and I just move on. Sometimes it ends up as a blessing in disguise and I run across something that I really want and wouldn't be able to buy if I had won the previous item.Leave a comment:
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Jumped all over the OP? We don't have opinions to share?
As for wealthy inheriting their money, I've attached an interesting article. All the folks I know who have a few bucks earn it - they work 16 hour days, miss graduations, Little League and soccer games and some go to bed at 8:00 at night because they have to go to work at 04:00 hours. Others spend half their lives on an airplane away from their families.
Luck? Luck are the folks who stay home and whine that they aren't getting their fair share.
Just a couple of opinions
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AmenAny time you do business with someone known to sell forged merchandise, you are perpetuating their business and fraudulent activities. So instead of criticizing those who flip items, which is perfectly legal, how about taking a real stand and not doing business with known thieves.Leave a comment:
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"I spoke to someone today at Citi Field that works Security there and they told me that for the Three Day's for the All Star Events
(Sun.Futures Game, Mon. Home Run Durby & Tues. All Star Game)
Parking will be 35.00 per Car
I'm told it's 20.00 a Car now"
I just got this in an email from a fellow Met fan.
This is the type of greed that is wrong in our hobby too.Leave a comment:
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There certainly are a lot of dealers (and wannabe dealers) out there buying (or sniping) ebay items only to relist them a week or so later at bloated prices. I've had this happen to me a few times too. I don't consider this wrong as it free enterprise. Sure I would have loved to have that bat for $400 in my collection but instead see it listed on ebay for $2400 or best offer for the last year with no bites. Sometimes sniping pays but not all the time for the dealer. Is it annoying yes but it's the playing field we play on.Leave a comment:
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I collect what I enjoy. Even if it is a common and I want it for my collection, I may pay a price that another may see as outrageous. I rarely sell anything but I do trade with other collectors. The price I pay is what I can afford or in some cases how bad I want it. That is my choice. I once made an offer on a common player jersey. I was turned down and given a counter offer which I thought was too high. After several months the jersey still hasn't sold and he is now asking less than what I offered. I've since moved on to other purchases and it is still on ebay.Leave a comment:
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An example of a dealer finding an opportunity and flipping for a huge profit. Say what you want about jerseys4thewin, but I would have done the same thing as he did, but I was like 30 minutes too late to the original auction. jerseys4thewin beat me to it.
Original seller didn't fully know the value of the item and offered this 1970 Phillies game used flannel for $70 Buy It Now.
jerseys4thewin sold it for $1275 (over a 1800% return).
Just someone taking advantage of an opportunity. Nothing greedy about it.
Man that was a great steal.Leave a comment:
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good point Astros 5.7. while I don't care for the greed of some people the fraudulent ones are the worst of the worst. All I ask for is to get what I pay for. Those people are ruining a great hobbyLeave a comment:
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I am on your side Hairy guy. here is a good example: Ever time I try to buy GU items from the S.F. Giants GU online service someone always beats me to the good stuff. It is suppose to be first come first serve but no matter how fast I put out my email, it is never fast enough. And where do a lot of these items end up? You guessed it EBAY! If you want an item for your collection and you can afford more then me then more power to you. but just grabbing everything for greed sake just doesn't sit right with me either. I'm not interested in what things are worth just in the joy of collecting. If your just a middle man that I got no love for ya.Leave a comment:
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An example of a dealer finding an opportunity and flipping for a huge profit. Say what you want about jerseys4thewin, but I would have done the same thing as he did, but I was like 30 minutes too late to the original auction. jerseys4thewin beat me to it.
Original seller didn't fully know the value of the item and offered this 1970 Phillies game used flannel for $70 Buy It Now.
jerseys4thewin sold it for $1275 (over a 1800% return).
Just someone taking advantage of an opportunity. Nothing greedy about it.Leave a comment:
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Something that I have seen a couple of times is guys buy something with vague history of item and then turn to sell it with a very detailed history but no proof.
like I saw a juan castro phillies road jersey sold as mlb authenticated as team issued. it was from 2011. he made the last out in roy halladay's perfect game. There's a chance that could have been the jersey since he was only a phillie for like a month. but then it got turned and the new seller said it was no doubt worn in that game. Wouldn't give out the mlb authenticated number, and kept saying he bought it in a special phillies auction that was just items from roy halladay's perfect game. and of course the guy lost his receipt and all the paperwork about this special auction.Leave a comment:
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