Greed in this hobby

[woodward30]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also). I've also had my kids trampled and push out of the way by these type, only to see the same jersey they needed SOOO bad listed on ebay 2 days later.

Not jealous at all, and there are plenty of other jerseys in the sea...but I can't get over how many people have no decency and how many others condone their acts as being "business"

Burned? You committed to the seller's price? Unless the item turns out to be fake, how are you being burned here? You agreed to the seller's price.

[tella27]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also). I've also had my kids trampled and push out of the way by these type, only to see the same jersey they needed SOOO bad listed on ebay 2 days later.

Not jealous at all, and there are plenty of other jerseys in the sea...but I can't get over how many people have no decency and how many others condone their acts as being "business"

I don't think you can group together selling an item for profit and having no respect or common courtesy towards other people. I've met collectors that never sell anything but try and lowball everyone over every item. Every person is different in they way they handle things. Everyone keeps coming back to saying someone tried to sell them something for twice as much as it sold for and so on. Where do you get off telling someone that just because they paid "x" amount for something that's the price they have to sell it to you for? This is such a joke - if you don't like the price don't buy. Don't be mad at someone because they found a deal on an item that you wish you had come across first. The hunt is part of the fun - when you find something that was a great deal is an awesome feeling. So many haters - if you don't like the price move on and keep looking. If its a rare item its going to cost more - its up to the buyer to decide if that price matches how much they want an item. I've over paid for items that I really wanted.. Supply and demand..

[Mark17]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also).

Can you please explain to me, in this scenario, how you got "burned"?

You seem to think you had some sort of moral claim to whatever item you are talking about. How does that work? If the asking price was too high, turn down the offer.

[jppopma]

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For those of you who think business is business, I look forward to hearing back from you after being burned by one of these people. I've had someone do a lowball back door deal on ebay and then turn right around and try to sell it to me for 3 times what the auction was at (almost double the "value" also). I've also had my kids trampled and push out of the way by these type, only to see the same jersey they needed SOOO bad listed on ebay 2 days later.

Not jealous at all, and there are plenty of other jerseys in the sea...but I can't get over how many people have no decency and how many others condone their acts as being "business"

[hairyangryfella]

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Good to see that there are some varying opinions about this kind of stuff...

I also find it quite amusing that his item description is just that from the auction, no effort put in at all

[slats7]

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dalcowbill is one of the worst "profiteers." Just pay me almost four times what I shelled out for it and it's yours!

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=151217&lotIdNo=21005

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DALLAS-COWBOYS-STEVE-WILSON-BAD-LUCK-BLUE-GAME-USED-GAME-WORN-JERSEY-/380432549335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58938c05d7

[astros5.7]

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To me, the main problem in this hobby is fraud, not flipping items. If you have ever bought an item and sold it for profit, then you flipped it. To act like you are different because you don't do this as often, or you feel like you do this for a more noble reason is a joke. Also, anyone who attempts to flip an item is taking a risk; who knows if they will be successful or turn a profit.

Getting back to what I feel is the main problem...people selling bad, faked, or forged items. A lot of people on this forum are happy to call out an individual for selling bad items, yet a month later they are right back to buying and selling with the person who was caught forging. Apparently it is "immoral" to flip items, but perfectly acceptable to buy and sell with thieves as long as they have the item wanted or the cash needed.

Any time you do business with someone known to sell forged merchandise, you are perpetuating their business and fraudulent activities. So instead of criticizing those who flip items, which is perfectly legal, how about taking a real stand and not doing business with known thieves.

[woodward30]

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In its simplest form - when a person buys something that item now belongs to them. They should be able to do what ever they want with it - if trying to sell for a profit is what they want to do who is anyone to tell them they shouldn't do it. The people that complain about this are just flat out jealous of what someone else has. I could care less if someone buys one of my items and sells it for a profit - if anything it makes me feel that I underestimated the market on it. If someone makes money on something more power to them. Why hate on them enough to start a thread - it makes you sound childish. No one ever buys something just so they can sell it for less money... Demand creates value - its their money they are risking.

Exactly. The dealer assumes risk when purchasing the jersey in hopes of selling it at a higher price. If the dealer is unable to sell it at a higher price, they'll eventually concede to selling it at a lower (or equal) price at which they bought it, since they have no have no interest in keeping the jersey for collection purposes.

It's just capitalism in its simplest form.

[tella27]

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In its simplest form - when a person buys something that item now belongs to them. They should be able to do what ever they want with it - if trying to sell for a profit is what they want to do who is anyone to tell them they shouldn't do it. The people that complain about this are just flat out jealous of what someone else has. I could care less if someone buys one of my items and sells it for a profit - if anything it makes me feel that I underestimated the market on it. If someone makes money on something more power to them. Why hate on them enough to start a thread - it makes you sound childish. No one ever buys something just so they can sell it for less money... Demand creates value - its their money they are risking.

[Mark17]

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If you're trying to "buy low, sell high", I wouldn't advise Grey Flannel being the place to look to "buy low." That seller quickly will learn his lesson. While I certainly understand and respect the OP's opinion, I find myself in the "it's his money and if he can make a profit, more power to him" camp.

+1

Here's an experiment we can all try at home. Put one of your decent items up for sale, and when a dealer offers $2,000 and a guy who says he's a collector offers $700, see who you sell it to.

I think it's silly when people who want to pay less for stuff try to claim some sort of moral high ground simply because they are a "collector." You don't (and shouldn't) get things in life based simply on desire.

[woodward30]

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If you're trying to "buy low, sell high", I wouldn't advise Grey Flannel being the place to look to "buy low." That seller quickly will learn his lesson. While I certainly understand and respect the OP's opinion, I find myself in the "it's his money and if he can make a profit, more power to him" camp.

[slats7]

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It's sad that the true collectors are crowded out by the "for profit" guys, who then hold said items hostage for exorbitant prices. When I see the same football helmet showing up at five different auction houses, I think to myself, "Doesn't anyone want this thing just to enjoy and cherish? Why is it always passed around like a Christmas fruitcake?"

[jppopma]

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I agree that it rubs me the wrong way to see someone buy an item and put it up quickly for a huge profit. Does it sell for that or not is the question. Still bothers me since ya know these are the turds that will hoard and push you out of the way at team sales.

I have no problem with people being able to bid more than I can afford or want something more than me. That is all about supply and demand and in the end, we can hope that their higher bids will trickle down into higher prices on items in our collections.

If you want to talk about greed...I would look at some of the teams seller their own stuff. Higher prices, less wear has been the theme for years now...add in sloppy descriptions and errors and you can see that its only about the money for them. You can't really argue supply and demand when they have full control over the supply and nobody can ever come close to selling items for the same prices the teams demand.

My.02

[Phil316]

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Bottom line is that if you pick up something on the cheap via ebay, auction houses ect its yours do what you want.

That person shelled out 360 for an Amare that is not even legit and is trying to flip it who cares. You get what you pay for remember that.

[frikativ54]

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That Amare is just one example - but he won so many items from each of the auctions, now listed on ebay, it just seems like pure greed to me. And from memory I once tried to negotiate for a card that this guy had listed on ebay and he wouldn't go anywhere near a reasonable offer...

To be honest, with some of these people, it is pure greed. They have to have everything of a certain player or team, and it looks like their mommies never taught them how to share. In a word, they are not collectors but hoarders.

And those dealer types who just swoop up an item to flip drive me crazy. Especially when I wanted that item as a collector. Yeah, I have picked up an item or two for investment purposes, but the majority of my collection is for my enjoyment. And I guess that a lot of us collectors are in the same boat.

I'm very big on morals, and I just don't like this. I'm also relatively new to the hobby though so maybe there isn't any room for them with game used items...

As you should be. Sadly, connections, favoritism, and backdoor dealing dominate this hobby. People often benefit more from whom they know, rather than who they are and their character. It's the sorry state of this hobby and the reason why a lot of people are getting out.

The constant competition, the whose collection is bigger mentality drives me - and others like me - away from the hobby. It's as if some of these people believe that they are better, because of what they own. But you can't go into the grave with your collections; people are ultimately remembered, because of their character. If this is any consolation...