A-Fraud- juice head?!?!

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Greatest player ever? Why is that? Because he has so many intangibles? He is a great base runner? He is a great third baseman? He is one of the clutchest players of his time? Um no, no, no, and no again. A-Rod is a stat stuffer who will undoubtedly break the HR record and go into the Hall depending on how big this steroid use blows up. But I just cannot reason that a guy who continually comes up small at the plate in nearly every clutch at bat is the greatest ever. Especially when he is mediocre in all other phases. Personally he isn't even in my top 25 and it isn't that I dislike the guy because I don't.

Stat stuffer? Yea he's a "stat stuffer" as the youngest player ever to reach 500 hr's. Give me a break. Stat stuffers are players who play til 42-43 that should have hung them up years ago and stick around picking up 80 hits here, 100 hits there....9 hrs here, 12 hr's there. A-rod is what...33? and in his prime. He is FAR from a stat stuffer. Please know the definition of a term before using it. Yea, he's a stat stuffer alright.

He'll be the 5th player ever to have 3000 hits/500hr's. He may reach 400 SB's which is a decent feat in itself. He'll more than likely wind up with 2500+ rbi.

Greatest 3B's? Not quite. But how about him being one of the best SS's of our time.


Do I like that he may have juiced? Not really.


Do I care that he may have juiced? Not really.


He'll just fall into the vunch that define this past era of baseball. Nothing more, nothing less.

Funny how so many LOVE Barry Bonds..a rude, arrogant, racist SOB...who used steroids...but hate A-Rod because he is crude and looks out for numero uno. LOL

Truly funny.

[joelsabi]

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I am trying to gather information about this reporter. I found this interesting read on Selena Roberts, the writer who broke this story.

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/sports/31roberts.html?_r=1&ref=

http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20070326114135.aspx

I also find it interesting that she has a book coming out soon on ARod as well.

http://www.harpercollins.com/authors/35673/Selena_Roberts/index.aspx

According to Bob Costa's interview of Selena Roberts, there is a larger story coming out in Sports Illustrated next week. I didnt get any new information from the interview and I doubt I will get anything new from the article in SI but I will read it to see for myself. Selena seem to elaborate that the Texas team had a well known culture of steroid use in the organization at around that time. Didn't Jose Canseco already say this?


The only thing that is new is this 104 player list. If this list of 104 players is sealed, then I am curious as to who had access to this list of 104 players. If these tests were anonymous, did any of the players who tested know the results of the tests? If not then who had access to this list and who would be willing to share this information with Selena? Why didn't the source reveal more than just 1 name on the list to Selena?

[Bondsgloves]

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Does A-Fraud get in the Hall of Fame? How does A-Rod come out of this ok, He will forever be associated with steroids?

How can you exclude Bonds, McGwire, and Clemens if you think A-Rod will get in Hall of Fame. Plus there is 104 other names that will sooner or later surface.

Honestly I don't care who was using anymore, I think the entire era should be thought of as the steroid era and we should all move on. No matter who was using these guys were great players with or without steroids. Players will contine to do whatever is necessary to get the edge legal or illegal, there is just to much money in the game.

[3arod13]

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Tony:

Didn't you stop collecting Juan Gonzales items due to his involvement with steroids?

No. I sold my Juan Gonzalez collection well before his name was ever mentioned with steroids. I sold my Juan Gonzalez collection and stated collecting Arod.

[yanks12025]

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Jetersbatboy,
I agree with you 100%.

[jetersbatboy]

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Do you have credible sources that say that? If Bagwell was on that list, he should be punished no differently than all the rest. I have my suspicions about Bagwell, but until you can show me the link where he's definitively tested positive like A-Rod, I won't presume he's guilty.

Frik you say show me the evidence, but there is none to speak of. Right now all there is here say. Show me the documents that have AROD testing positive, no one has seen them. It's a rumor from a secret source. Till you have a hard copy in hand thats all it is a rumor!!!!!! Now do I think AROD used ROIDS YES!!!! But can I say for sure NO. But till the hard copy is released, is just a rumor

Heres a Rumor on Bagwell

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/05/24/2008-05-24_sources_kelly_blair_made_boasts_about_ju.html

[frikativ54]

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Chicks dig the long ball.

Someone needs to destroy that myth. I love a good inside-the-park HR, the suicide squeeze, and the liner down the left-field line. Not to mention good, dominating pitching, lots of strikeouts, and acrobatic catches.

[otismalibu]

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Chicks dig the long ball.

As for raisin nuts...

Paging Madonna!

[frikativ54]

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Definitely Bagwell is on the list.

Do you have credible sources that say that? If Bagwell was on that list, he should be punished no differently than all the rest. I have my suspicions about Bagwell, but until you can show me the link where he's definitively tested positive like A-Rod, I won't presume he's guilty.

[cohibasmoker]

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I think the testing should become public because baseball players were involved in CRIMINAL activities. Athletes in violation of the drug laws should be punished equally as those who are punished with, say, possession of marijuana. Just because these guys have dinero, doesn't mean they should get off easily.

Know why these guys have dinero? Because we the fans put the money in their pockets. When all of this alleged doping was going on who was benefiting?

-The players;
-commissioner;
-player's unions; and,
-the owners.

Was there a conspiracy among the above suspects? I don't know but a lot of people sure did benefit from the baseball's version of don't ask, don't tell policy. As for the mystical list of 103, with the exception of Barry Bonds, can anyone tell me how many players have actually been prosecuted or banned from baseball for using steroids?

In closing, the mystical list of dopers should be 104 - the missing entry is us- the fans. We are the ones who are paying for their lifestyles. So the next time you go to a game and pay $15.00 to park, $7.50 for a Hot Dog, $8.00 for a beer and $40.00 for the ticket, as you are walking through the parking lot - look at the ticket and ask yourself - Am I on dope?

Jim

[HENMICK44]

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anyone interested in a Arod game used Texas Ranger bat!!!!!!!!!!!!
Henmick44@optonline.net

[frikativ54]

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Actully, he can't say much of anything since there is an agreement between MLPA and MLB about this particular testing in 2003. Neither one can ever make a comment directly about the players involved.

I think the testing should become public because baseball players were involved in CRIMINAL activities. Athletes in violation of the drug laws should be punished equally as those who are punished with, say, possession of marijuana. Just because these guys have dinero, doesn't mean they should get off easily.

[schubert1970]

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He isnt coming out and denying the positive test. I can imagine Arod game used items have just become more affordable. He was informed of the news on thursday from what I have heard.

Actully, he can't say much of anything since there is an agreement between MLPA and MLB about this particular testing in 2003. Neither one can ever make a comment directly about the players involved.

[frikativ54]

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An earlier poster called what Pettitte did "weak". I whole-heartedly disagree. Unlike Bonds, et al. Andy Pettitte was man enough to admit that he had made mistakes in his career. I certainly still have respect for the guy, and I have never been a huge Pettitte fan. It's guys like Clemens that I can't stand. I remember somewhere reading that Jeff Bagwell said that 80% of MLB players had done the juice at one point or another during their careers. I honestly doubt if anybody is clean. But I'd like to see that list of 103 names; who else is on there that needs to be implicated?

-Frik

[yanks12025]

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You quotes me for saying;
Originally Posted by yanks12025
Well you have to support your team/players no matter what. Thats what Bonds fan's did and they still do because they think he's still clean. All i want was better proof then these writers we never heard of and also the other 103 names. I want to see Ortiz's, Manny, all of them on the list because then boston fans can't talk back(but im sure baseball will cover it up).

Also i noticed i was spelling steroids wrong, my bad.


Kellsox,
Based on what you bolded it sounds like if any of the red sox's failed a drug test that you would just kick them to the side and forget about them. So say Ortiz's name is one of the 104 you would give up on him and not support him anymore.