A-Fraud- juice head?!?!

[frikativ54]

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Chicks dig the long ball.

Someone needs to destroy that myth. I love a good inside-the-park HR, the suicide squeeze, and the liner down the left-field line. Not to mention good, dominating pitching, lots of strikeouts, and acrobatic catches.

[jetersbatboy]

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Do you have credible sources that say that? If Bagwell was on that list, he should be punished no differently than all the rest. I have my suspicions about Bagwell, but until you can show me the link where he's definitively tested positive like A-Rod, I won't presume he's guilty.

Frik you say show me the evidence, but there is none to speak of. Right now all there is here say. Show me the documents that have AROD testing positive, no one has seen them. It's a rumor from a secret source. Till you have a hard copy in hand thats all it is a rumor!!!!!! Now do I think AROD used ROIDS YES!!!! But can I say for sure NO. But till the hard copy is released, is just a rumor

Heres a Rumor on Bagwell

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/05/24/2008-05-24_sources_kelly_blair_made_boasts_about_ju.html

[yanks12025]

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Jetersbatboy,
I agree with you 100%.

[3arod13]

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Tony:

Didn't you stop collecting Juan Gonzales items due to his involvement with steroids?

No. I sold my Juan Gonzalez collection well before his name was ever mentioned with steroids. I sold my Juan Gonzalez collection and stated collecting Arod.

[Bondsgloves]

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Does A-Fraud get in the Hall of Fame? How does A-Rod come out of this ok, He will forever be associated with steroids?

How can you exclude Bonds, McGwire, and Clemens if you think A-Rod will get in Hall of Fame. Plus there is 104 other names that will sooner or later surface.

Honestly I don't care who was using anymore, I think the entire era should be thought of as the steroid era and we should all move on. No matter who was using these guys were great players with or without steroids. Players will contine to do whatever is necessary to get the edge legal or illegal, there is just to much money in the game.

[joelsabi]

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I am trying to gather information about this reporter. I found this interesting read on Selena Roberts, the writer who broke this story.

http://select.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/sports/31roberts.html?_r=1&ref=

http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20070326114135.aspx

I also find it interesting that she has a book coming out soon on ARod as well.

http://www.harpercollins.com/authors/35673/Selena_Roberts/index.aspx

According to Bob Costa's interview of Selena Roberts, there is a larger story coming out in Sports Illustrated next week. I didnt get any new information from the interview and I doubt I will get anything new from the article in SI but I will read it to see for myself. Selena seem to elaborate that the Texas team had a well known culture of steroid use in the organization at around that time. Didn't Jose Canseco already say this?


The only thing that is new is this 104 player list. If this list of 104 players is sealed, then I am curious as to who had access to this list of 104 players. If these tests were anonymous, did any of the players who tested know the results of the tests? If not then who had access to this list and who would be willing to share this information with Selena? Why didn't the source reveal more than just 1 name on the list to Selena?

[Mr.3000]

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Greatest player ever? Why is that? Because he has so many intangibles? He is a great base runner? He is a great third baseman? He is one of the clutchest players of his time? Um no, no, no, and no again. A-Rod is a stat stuffer who will undoubtedly break the HR record and go into the Hall depending on how big this steroid use blows up. But I just cannot reason that a guy who continually comes up small at the plate in nearly every clutch at bat is the greatest ever. Especially when he is mediocre in all other phases. Personally he isn't even in my top 25 and it isn't that I dislike the guy because I don't.

Stat stuffer? Yea he's a "stat stuffer" as the youngest player ever to reach 500 hr's. Give me a break. Stat stuffers are players who play til 42-43 that should have hung them up years ago and stick around picking up 80 hits here, 100 hits there....9 hrs here, 12 hr's there. A-rod is what...33? and in his prime. He is FAR from a stat stuffer. Please know the definition of a term before using it. Yea, he's a stat stuffer alright.

He'll be the 5th player ever to have 3000 hits/500hr's. He may reach 400 SB's which is a decent feat in itself. He'll more than likely wind up with 2500+ rbi.

Greatest 3B's? Not quite. But how about him being one of the best SS's of our time.


Do I like that he may have juiced? Not really.


Do I care that he may have juiced? Not really.


He'll just fall into the vunch that define this past era of baseball. Nothing more, nothing less.

Funny how so many LOVE Barry Bonds..a rude, arrogant, racist SOB...who used steroids...but hate A-Rod because he is crude and looks out for numero uno. LOL

Truly funny.

[frikativ54]

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People say that players were good, with or without steroids. But what about those guys whose warning track flies were heading out of the park with the juice? These guys didn't just ruin an era; they cheated the game.

[suicide_squeeze]

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Someone needs to destroy that myth. I love a good inside-the-park HR, the suicide squeeze, and the liner down the left-field line. Not to mention good, dominating pitching, lots of strikeouts, and acrobatic catches.

Hey.......I have a fan!!!

[schubert1970]

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Just wanted to lighten this thread up a bit with some jokes I found on the NYPOST web site. Some of these are really creative. Being an AROD fan these made me laugh.....life is too short.

"Start spreading the news, I'm leavin today, I want to be A-FRAUD of it, New York, New York!"

"If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying"

"Sholess isn't in the HOF, big deal"

"Next year Baseball Hall of Fame should induct THE ASTERICK"

[schubert1970]

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I also find it interesting that she has a book coming out soon on ARod as well.

http://www.harpercollins.com/authors/35673/Selena_Roberts/index.aspx

The only thing that is new is this 104 player list. If this list of 104 players is sealed, then I am curious as to who had access to this list of 104 players. If these tests were anonymous, did any of the players who tested know the results of the tests? If not then who had access to this list and who would be willing to share this information with Selena? Why didn't the source reveal more than just 1 name on the list to Selena?

Total hit job comming. It won't be the first or last that arod will deal with, everyone wants to knock off the person on top. Great research!!

[frikativ54]

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Hey.......I have a fan!!!

LOL!

[joelsabi]

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Total hit job comming. It won't be the first or last that arod will deal with, everyone wants to knock off the person on top.

Selena mention this six degree of separation of scott boras. I looked up this concept on the internet and it says that everyone on Earth is separated from anyone else by no more than six degrees of separation. Basically we are who we associate with is this concept. I bet money that the biggest concept Selena will use in the upcoming article in SI and the book is this six degree of separation idea and she will use it for ARod, in his career and (in her book) personal life.

[skyking26]

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I feel bad for Tony here (arod3). I'm sure with the news he feels pretty bad, that and watching the value of his stuff slide down the tubes.

Someday, I think we'll find out that MANY players are/were on it. That it was an epidemic of the era. Sad, but a statement of the times.

There are guys I do not believe are-were on it. Kingman, Thome, and Dunn...I am guessing they were never on the stuff. JMHO.

[3arod13]

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I feel bad for Tony here (3arod3). I'm sure with the news he feels pretty bad, that and watching the value of his stuff slide down the tubes.

To be honest (and I am being honest), I'm not concerned about stuff or money lost in stuff I bought. I'm more dissappointed in Arod even using performance enhancing drugs.

I also wish he would step up and admit it (if true) and not hide behind the union or anyone or anything else. If you did it, admit it. Why wait? Take responsibility!

Yes, I'm very dissapointed in all this. Actually heartbroken. I looked up to Arod as a dedicated, hardworking baseball player who loved the game.

This is truly devistating to me.

You will not hear any excuses, reasoning, or justification from me. If proven true, facts are facts.

Regards, Tony