A-Fraud- juice head?!?!

[Mr.3000]

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To be honest (and I am being honest), I'm not concerned about stuff or money lost in stuff I bought. I'm more dissappointed in Arod even using performance enhancing drugs.

I also wish he would step up and admit it (if true) and not hide behind the union or anyone or anything else. If you did it, admit it. Why wait? Take responsibility!

Yes, I'm very dissapointed in all this. Actually heartbroken. I looked up to Arod as a dedicated, hardworking baseball player who loved the game.

This is truly devistating to me.

You will not hear any excuses, reasoning, or justification from me. If proven true, facts are facts.

Regards, Tony

A truly classy response from a true fan and collector. Thank you.

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: A-Fraud- juice head?!?!

To be honest (and I am being honest), I'm not concerned about stuff or money lost in stuff I bought. I'm more dissappointed in Arod even using performance enhancing drugs.

I also wish he would step up and admit it (if true) and not hide behind the union or anyone or anything else. If you did it, admit it. Why wait? Take responsibility!

Yes, I'm very dissapointed in all this. Actually heartbroken. I looked up to Arod as a dedicated, hardworking baseball player who loved the game.

This is truly devistating to me.

You will not hear any excuses, reasoning, or justification from me. If proven true, facts are facts.

Regards, Tony

While I certainly do not condone the use of steroids or like substances I do not condemn those who did use/try them to be more competitive/successful. Was it wrong and dangerous, of course we now know it was but just because someone made that choice does not mean he wasn't or isn't a hard working and/or dedicated player or a good person for that matter. We are all flawed and have all made mistakes. You cannot expect these men to be perfect. There have been many imperfections throughout the great history of baseball and this era is just another one of those. Not every choice we make in life is going to be the correct or moral choice. Players like McGwire, Pettite, A-Rod did not spit in a womans face like Larry Johnson, they didn't disparage the country in a pot induced stuper like Josh Howard, they were not involved in a double homicide like Ray Lewis, they did not destroy their organizations through selfishness like T.O. They did not fix games like Tim Donaghy. They are not Steve Howe or Denny McClain. I am not defending anyone nor am I judging them either, there obviously are plenty of perfect people out there doing that already. The important thing is the game is making the changes needed to clean things up. What happened 5 years ago was just that, 5 years ago. Just my personal opinions.

[joelsabi]

Re: A-Fraud- juice head?!?!

To be honest (and I am being honest), I'm not concerned about stuff or money lost in stuff I bought. I'm more dissappointed in Arod even using performance enhancing drugs.

I also wish he would step up and admit it (if true) and not hide behind the union or anyone or anything else. If you did it, admit it. Why wait? Take responsibility!

Yes, I'm very dissapointed in all this. Actually heartbroken. I looked up to Arod as a dedicated, hardworking baseball player who loved the game.

This is truly devistating to me.

You will not hear any excuses, reasoning, or justification from me. If proven true, facts are facts.




Regards, Tony

nice sentiments. i too hope he take the high road if true. i also hope he breaks the news to kate couric if true.

[joecoco]

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I agree. Tony has always been a class act! - Joe Cocozzella

[skyking26]

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While I still collect McGwire's stuff, I feel the same way about him as Tony does about Arod. Sick. All the guy had to do was talk at the congressional hearing instead of the stupid responses his lawyers told him. He'd be in a different place now.

Arod should learn from others. Choice is his.

[JasonM33]

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Gee, Arod on steroids? Get out of town. lol

I've been saying for the longest time that these guys are damn near all on steroids. Even the skinny ones who don't look it. I'll repeat. You don't get that strong, that big, that lean, and that fast, all at the same time.

I am a Jose Canseco fan since I was a kid. He was entertaining. I loved watching him. However, at this point, all the steroid stuff has essentially ruined the game. Stats and records are so much a part of the appeal of baseball. I can't bring myself to watch a baseball game anymore. It's ruined.

Also, lets not pretend that we know who took what and when because we don't. We don't have any idea of who "needs it" or what they might have done without them. The fact is, they did do it, and probably for a lot longer than people think. History keeps repeating itself and there are a lot of people that still seem to be in denial about it.

[3arod13]

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Family and friends have asked me...

* Are you going to sell all of your Arod Stuff?
* Are you going to change your license plate?

Answer to both of these questions is no.

I still like Arod and will still continue to root for him as a player and continue to collect his stuff. Don't agree with what he did, but I can forgive him for that. He made a mistake (bad choice), like many of us have done in life, so I won't turn my back on him. I do hope he takes the right path and deals with this in a possitive way. Learn from it...and move on.

Regards, Tony

[Mr.3000]

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Tony,

Where in Virginia?

[3arod13]

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Tony,

Where in Virginia?

Live in Great Bridge, Chesapeake.

[schubert1970]

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Why do people think everthing in baseball is sacrosanct, when it never has been.....

After watching more news coverage today, I'm a little sick of hearing how steroids ruined baseball. I guess for some people, history only begins when they are born. Remember, this is the same game that wouldn't allow the participation of African Americans. I'm sure writers and others believed that by allowing AA's to play baseball, records would be ruined and the game tarnished. I could name other numerous examples of changes in baseball that were going to ruin the integrity of the game. Just another chapter.........

[Mr.3000]

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Live in Great Bridge, Chesapeake.

I see. About 2 hrs from me. Little country bumpkin town of Culpeper lol

[2000mvpfan]

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Tony-
Glad to see you're sticking by your guy.As a Giambi collector,I know it's a tough thing...but what the hell,these guys are human too and allowed to make mistakes.A-Rod needs to take the Giambi-Pettitte road and fess up though...both those guys did,took the hit and were able to move on,and in Giambi's case even his good-guy reputation went pretty much untarnished.Granted,A-Rod is far above the level of those 2 guys,but the same should apply.
And on the plus side,you might be able to get a few items at lower prices-I know I was able to during the backlash!!

Joe

[Bondsgloves]

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Not surprising at all.

His stuff won't drop in value. By now, too many just don't care that much about who did and who does steroids.

He'll still wind up the greatest player ever...without an asterisk.

Greatest Player without an asterisk? What are you referring to.
A-Rod is just as guilty as Clemens, McGwire, Bonds, Sheffield, Palmeiro.

If your going to exclude these players from the HOF, you have to exclude A-Rod. In Fact A-Rods offensive numbers never really spiked, so there is a more than likely chance he has been using them his whole career.

[2000mvpfan]

Re: A-Fraud- juice head?!?!

Why do people think everthing in baseball is sacrosanct, when it never has been.....

After watching more news coverage today, I'm a little sick of hearing how steroids ruined baseball. I guess for some people, history only begins when they are born. Remember, this is the same game that wouldn't allow the participation of African Americans. I'm sure writers and others believed that by allowing AA's to play baseball, records would be ruined and the game tarnished. I could name other numerous examples of changes in baseball that were going to ruin the integrity of the game. Just another chapter.........

Schubert-
The problem I have with it is the hypocrisy of it all by MLB.When baseballs were being launched out in record numbers and business was booming because,let's face it,we all dig the long ball,they turned a blind eye while knowing EXACTLY what was going on regardless of what they might say.As soon as it hit the fan though,the game's biggest sluggers of that era were thrown to the wolves unjustly just to have someone to blame for a black eye on the face of the game.
They need to move on..put the Hall worthy guys in and accept the fact they played in an era where what they did was certainly,if not quietly,OK with MLB at the time.

Joe

[Mr.3000]

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Greatest Player without an asterisk? What are you referring to.
A-Rod is just as guilty as Clemens, McGwire, Bonds, Sheffield, Palmeiro.

If your going to exclude these players from the HOF, you have to exclude A-Rod. In Fact A-Rods offensive numbers never really spiked, so there is a more than likely chance he has been using them his whole career.

Pretty ridiculous assumption.