A-Fraud- juice head?!?!

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[quote=yanks12025;122140]Well you have to support your team/players no matter what. Thats what Bonds fan's did and they still do because they think he's still clean.

With all due respect to all of the fine posters here.......

..........ANYONE who still believes Bonds is "clean" in regards to using steroids or performance enhancing drugs........you need to seek help immediately.

From this moment forward, Bonds is paying a TON of money to pay a bunch of lawyers to come up with "doubt" in any way they can twist the facts to get him off for lying to the grand jury about his obvious steroid use.

I am NOT placing "judgement" or giving my opinion of Barry Bonds in any way, shape, or form. I am simply stating the obvious. Fan or not, he used, there is ample proof everywhere you look, and that's it.

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If proven to be factual, yes I will be disappointed.
For me, it's sad that anyone with Arod's ability and talent, would even think of using performance enhancing drugs. His performance year after year (yes, I know, not in the post season ) shows he doesn't need them. Since 2004, he has been tested, and his performance shows he doesn't need them.

I told my wife, back when Arod was interviewed by Katie Currick. When she asked Arod have you ever use performance enhancing drugs, he looked away from her, paused, and then turned back to her and said No. I told my wife, why think about it? Why hesitate? It was at that point I always wondered.

Will I dump my Arod stuff? No!



Regards, Tony

GOOD for you, Tony!!!

A man with conviction.....I like it!!!

Steve

[kellsox]

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Well you have to support your team/players no matter what. Thats what Bonds fan's did and they still do because they think he's still clean. All i want was better proof then these writers we never heard of and also the other 103 names. I want to see Ortiz's, Manny, all of them on the list because then boston fans can't talk back(but im sure baseball will cover it up).

Also i noticed i was spelling steroids wrong, my bad.

Says who??? Failed tests were confirmed by 4 people. This writer that you never heard of is a Senior writer for SI. They would not go with a story this big unless it was legit. Every player from this era will be looked at with suspicion and nobody should be surprised when other names do come out. What do the other 103 names have to do with Arod's positive test?? I'm sure there have been users on every team/every year in the majors for the last 20 years(yes even on the Red Sox). Loyalty is blinding you from the reality of what is going on.

[cohibasmoker]

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The steroid issue is Major League Baseballs version of the shell game. The players say see the union, the union says see the Commissioners Office and the Commissioners Office says - its a contractual issue and we can't comment - see the union.

Round and round we go - where it stops nobody knows.

In the meanwhile, all of the major actors in this little game have "performance" contracts. Interesting.

Jim

[3arod13]

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As repoted on MLB.COM..."Alex Rodriguez ALLEGEDLY tested positive for steroids."

If and/or when factual proof shows that Arod used in 2003, then there's nothing to argue about. Facts are facts.

I'll just wait and see what more is to come.

It's a sad day for this Arod fan!

Regards, Tony

[Rboitano]

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He isnt coming out and denying the positive test. I can imagine Arod game used items have just become more affordable. He was informed of the news on thursday from what I have heard.

[ironmanfan]

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Tony:

Didn't you stop collecting Juan Gonzales items due to his involvement with steroids?

[yanks12025]

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You quotes me for saying;
Originally Posted by yanks12025
Well you have to support your team/players no matter what. Thats what Bonds fan's did and they still do because they think he's still clean. All i want was better proof then these writers we never heard of and also the other 103 names. I want to see Ortiz's, Manny, all of them on the list because then boston fans can't talk back(but im sure baseball will cover it up).

Also i noticed i was spelling steroids wrong, my bad.


Kellsox,
Based on what you bolded it sounds like if any of the red sox's failed a drug test that you would just kick them to the side and forget about them. So say Ortiz's name is one of the 104 you would give up on him and not support him anymore.

[frikativ54]

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An earlier poster called what Pettitte did "weak". I whole-heartedly disagree. Unlike Bonds, et al. Andy Pettitte was man enough to admit that he had made mistakes in his career. I certainly still have respect for the guy, and I have never been a huge Pettitte fan. It's guys like Clemens that I can't stand. I remember somewhere reading that Jeff Bagwell said that 80% of MLB players had done the juice at one point or another during their careers. I honestly doubt if anybody is clean. But I'd like to see that list of 103 names; who else is on there that needs to be implicated?

-Frik

[schubert1970]

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He isnt coming out and denying the positive test. I can imagine Arod game used items have just become more affordable. He was informed of the news on thursday from what I have heard.

Actully, he can't say much of anything since there is an agreement between MLPA and MLB about this particular testing in 2003. Neither one can ever make a comment directly about the players involved.

[frikativ54]

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Actully, he can't say much of anything since there is an agreement between MLPA and MLB about this particular testing in 2003. Neither one can ever make a comment directly about the players involved.

I think the testing should become public because baseball players were involved in CRIMINAL activities. Athletes in violation of the drug laws should be punished equally as those who are punished with, say, possession of marijuana. Just because these guys have dinero, doesn't mean they should get off easily.

[HENMICK44]

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[cohibasmoker]

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I think the testing should become public because baseball players were involved in CRIMINAL activities. Athletes in violation of the drug laws should be punished equally as those who are punished with, say, possession of marijuana. Just because these guys have dinero, doesn't mean they should get off easily.

Know why these guys have dinero? Because we the fans put the money in their pockets. When all of this alleged doping was going on who was benefiting?

-The players;
-commissioner;
-player's unions; and,
-the owners.

Was there a conspiracy among the above suspects? I don't know but a lot of people sure did benefit from the baseball's version of don't ask, don't tell policy. As for the mystical list of 103, with the exception of Barry Bonds, can anyone tell me how many players have actually been prosecuted or banned from baseball for using steroids?

In closing, the mystical list of dopers should be 104 - the missing entry is us- the fans. We are the ones who are paying for their lifestyles. So the next time you go to a game and pay $15.00 to park, $7.50 for a Hot Dog, $8.00 for a beer and $40.00 for the ticket, as you are walking through the parking lot - look at the ticket and ask yourself - Am I on dope?

Jim

[frikativ54]

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Definitely Bagwell is on the list.

Do you have credible sources that say that? If Bagwell was on that list, he should be punished no differently than all the rest. I have my suspicions about Bagwell, but until you can show me the link where he's definitively tested positive like A-Rod, I won't presume he's guilty.

[otismalibu]

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Chicks dig the long ball.

As for raisin nuts...

Paging Madonna!