O/T: H&B liable for player's death

[nomo121]

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Blaming the bat company for the kid's death, is like saying matches cause lung cancer, when its smoking that's the problem.

Les, if you don't see how sad the country is, and only getting sadder. That this is another representation of what is wrong with america. I can't help you.

No one likes one basic concept. Taking responsibility for their own actions, and sometimes stuff happens. Any physical sport can be dangerous. Everyone knows these awesome bats have pop, or else, why use them. If you are 18, been playing ball, then you knew this. You dont want batters hitting off you with them, then play in the appropriate league.

[GoTigers]

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Wow, this is disgusting. What's the warning label going to say? Warning: using a bat with the intention of batting a ball in play; may result in batting a ball in play.

This is amazing, why not sue Rawlings for too hard a ball, or the opposing strength coach for making the batter too strong, or the team for not providing adeqate protection, or maybe his own coach for not giving him the skills to move out of the way.

With judgments like this H&B should sue their lawyer for losing this case, and causing financial/ emotional distress.

An appeal is definatly in order, and maybe new representation is too.

[camarokids]

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What fix would you like, complete privatization?

Back to the topic at hand, am I the only one here who thinks that H & B should pay damages? Baseball bats are dangerous, especially in the hands of strong young men. Why not hold the manufacturer responsible for a commodity that kills?

Hi Frik,
Haven't seen u on the boards lately....

I think the insurance companies are one of the main problems, so no to privatization.....

Something that brings down costs and gets rid of all the red tape and BS that ins. companies are all about is needed......What the answer is? I don't know????

The actual thread topic:
I do not agree with the juries decision at all!

Appeal Brian!

[brianborsch]

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" Why not hold the manufacturer responsible for a commodity that kills?"

Ever heard of the term: It's not guns who kill people, it's people who kill people.

Yeah.....

[brianborsch]

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Ummm NO.

Why not just get rid of the game of baseball all together? Brilliant Idea Les. Or better yet, lets make mlb and ALL baseball levels change to wiffle balls and wiffle ball bats. You certainly can't get hurt that way.

The fact of the matter is, the kid was practically an adult in an adult league. Everyone knows the risk. You'd have to, otherwise you are a complete IDIOT. The kids parents are a bunch of idiots. I feel 0% for them, because of the way they are handling this case. A bunch of money grubbing idiots. It may sound harsh, but thank God their child passed. One less of their genes out there to create these situations.

Like others have said before, accidents happen. And if H&B is held liable in this case, then the batter should also be charged for manslaughter, and the league should be charged for negligence (regardless of what waivers anyone has signed). If H&B made their bats according to the rules and guidelines they were allowed to do, then they should not be charged. PERIOD!

[frikativ54]

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Hopefully HB will be able to appeal, but its a communist world.

What century are you in?

[frikativ54]

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Those facts only covers the current clown and circus in power.....

The health plan crap they are trying to pass is not the answer....

But, our health system needs a fixing!

What fix would you like, complete privatization?

Back to the topic at hand, am I the only one here who thinks that H & B should pay damages? Baseball bats are dangerous, especially in the hands of strong young men. Why not hold the manufacturer responsible for a commodity that kills?

[camarokids]

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Facts? Here are some facts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_public_plan

Jim

Those facts only covers the current clown and circus in power.....

The health plan crap they are trying to pass is not the answer....

But, our health system needs a fixing!

[treant985]

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The real question is: if H&B appealed, what would their argument be? Appellate courts decide questions of law...they don't retry the facts of the case just because the jury gave a dumb result.

Even so, there does seem to be a pretty strong question about causation here, perhaps so much that it could rise to the level where the jury got it so wrong that appellate judges could overturn it if they really wanted to. Since judges (maybe not as much these days) tend to be old men, who tend to be baseball fans, perhaps H&B would get more traction on appeal than a typical corporation would.

After all, if the bat came with red warning labels all over it, I doubt it would change the way the game is played or which bats are used. It's not likely that the players relied on a LACK of a warning when they decided to use these bats.

The jury had to conclude that, if the label had been there, the accident most-likely would not have happened. It would be interested on appeal...

[cohibasmoker]

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I do believe the Democrats only held a majority of Congress after the 2006 elections. The six years prior Richard "DICK" Cheney would fly in to cast his vote whenever the Republicans needed him to do so for a majority.

Please republicans if your going to spew your sh*t get your freaking facts straight. Bush and Company had things their way for six of the eight years they were in power.

The same old, same old you reference is the crap we had to live with while Bush and Co. were in power. So please don't try and place the blame on the current clown that is in power. All politicians come from the same freaking circus...... It is all a shame.....

One thing I would to add, when Clinton was done the USA was in great shape. After Bush was done, you cannot say the same.

Facts? Here are some facts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_public_plan

Jim

[sox83cubs84]

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Ok...halftime show is over...back to the H&B bat issue.

I'm with most of you who have posted...saddened by the death of a young man doing what he enjoyed most, but incensed at the parents trying to make H&B the scapegoat. Another concern...if the judgement is against H&B and stands, it's only a matter of time that some other setllement-chasers do the same thing to Rawlings...X-Bat...Maxbat...Hoosier...Marucci...etc. H&B is big enough to withstand such an assault, but some of the smaller manufacturers could well be driven out of business if targeted with a simialr suit based on a similar situation. Aluminum and/or wood, this could be a Pandora's Box that, once opened, may never be shut.

Dave M.
Chicago area

[camarokids]

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Chris - I'm with you on let's keep politics out of the forum but I have to say that

1) When Bush was the President, the Democrats CONTROLLED Congress and,
2) The current Administration ran on the "CHANGE" ticket. The way I see it, where's the Change? To me, its pretty much like the same old, same old.

Now, back on topic - I think Dave is right - it all comes down to lawyers and tort reform.

Jim

I do believe the Democrats only held a majority of Congress after the 2006 elections. The six years prior Richard "DICK" Cheney would fly in to cast his vote whenever the Republicans needed him to do so for a majority.

Please republicans if your going to spew your sh*t get your freaking facts straight. Bush and Company had things their way for six of the eight years they were in power.

The same old, same old you reference is the crap we had to live with while Bush and Co. were in power. So please don't try and place the blame on the current clown that is in power. All politicians come from the same freaking circus...... It is all a shame.....

One thing I would to add, when Clinton was done the USA was in great shape. After Bush was done, you cannot say the same.

[cohibasmoker]

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Dave -

I don't like to get into political debates on Sports Forums, but since you opened the can of worms...

If it is so great, then why didn't the FORMER party in power (who you obviously support) get it done? They had ALL of the control then...

I'm tired of listening to all the conservative whiners who immediately started attacking the current regime as soon as they took office. It hasn't even been a year and the FORMER regime didn't do this country any favors over the past 8 years...

My .02

Now, can we PLEASE return to the point in question???

- Chris

Chris - I'm with you on let's keep politics out of the forum but I have to say that

1) When Bush was the President, the Democrats CONTROLLED Congress and,
2) The current Administration ran on the "CHANGE" ticket. The way I see it, where's the Change? To me, its pretty much like the same old, same old.

Now, back on topic - I think Dave is right - it all comes down to lawyers and tort reform.

Jim

[xpress34]

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It WOULD be great...but we're unlikely to see it anytime soon. The party in power in the White House and Congress considers trial lawyers among their biggest supporters...they're not gonna bite one of the hands that feeds them.

Dave M.
Chicago area

Dave -

I don't like to get into political debates on Sports Forums, but since you opened the can of worms...

If it is so great, then why didn't the FORMER party in power (who you obviously support) get it done? They had ALL of the control then...

I'm tired of listening to all the conservative whiners who immediately started attacking the current regime as soon as they took office. It hasn't even been a year and the FORMER regime didn't do this country any favors over the past 8 years...

My .02

Now, can we PLEASE return to the point in question???

- Chris

[sox83cubs84]

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anybody ever wonder why tort reform is such a great idea?

It WOULD be great...but we're unlikely to see it anytime soon. The party in power in the White House and Congress considers trial lawyers among their biggest supporters...they're not gonna bite one of the hands that feeds them.

Dave M.
Chicago area