McGwire 88 World Series Bat

[whirl]

Re: McGwire 88 World Series Bat

When I first started collecting, I would often see an ad which offered an item FOIL (first offer I like). I understood that when I made an offer, the seller was free to accept or reject my offer. Once he said "I accept your offer" that was supposed to be the end of the deal. In this case, the seller said I offer to sell you my bat for a fixed price; the buyer said I will accept your offer. Absent any other qualifiers, when the buyer said he accepted the seller's price, a contract was made. When someone else offered to up the price, there should have been no discussion. A contract had already been made with the first buyer. In short, a deal is a deal. Rex

[mwbosoxfan]

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Exactly. I think that if we all were honest with ourselves, we would probably do the same. .....Moral of the story is that it is all about money..............

thome,

Are you saying that you would also sacrifice a friend for a $1000, or in this case, take double the amount of your original asking price?

I may be really naive here, but actually, I don't think we would probably do the same. If those kinds of offers started coming in after I had made the deal, I think I would be kicking my own a** for setting my asking price too low.

[cjmedina1]

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Exactly. I think that if we all were honest with ourselves, we would probably do the same. Come on, or at least think about it. We are talking double the money. But, maybe the guy was just trying to stir something up. which as it turns out, is what actually happened. I know Bob. I know that is not his style to not follow through. But, I think that what buyer #1 Should've done was send the $$$ overnight like he said. Then, Bob would've had no choice. This happens more than we would care to admit. I just don't think it is fair to try and ruin a guys reputation over something like this . Especially, in a public forum. Now, Bob has a taint by his reputation. Buyer #1 doesn't have the bat. No one made out here. This should've been worked out in private. Now that I am fired up about this type of thing. Here's a story.......There was a guy that I used to be best friends with. He had a glove that I had been wanting for a while. Turns out he came into a second one. Knowing that I had been wanting one for ever. He paid let's say $2400. Keep in mind we were freinds. Or so it would appear. Instead of offering it to me at a reasonable price. He decided that he would try to rape me on it. Knowing that I would not be able to afford it at the crazy price. Over a $1,000 more that he paid. Well naturally, I said No. That was way beyond my means. He decides to sell it to a guy that I knew for the $3,400 . Needless to say. He tried to justify it by saying.."What would you expect me to do? " "We're talking about a grand ! " . I said , "I now see what our freindship is worth" . Now, I have since gotten a different glove. But I have lost what I that was a good freind. Moral of the story is that it is all about money..............

You make a good point.I have a similar situation with a bat that I decided to sell.The person who helped me get(Giving contacts my info) I sealed the deal.Please keep in mind that this person knows that im trying to complete my Signed Mcgwire bat collection and at the time he was thinking about helping me to complete my collection.But since I going to sell it I decided to offer it to him at my purchase price.Now if he decides not to buy it then I will mark it a few dollars and see what happens.For me its having Friendships.
Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net

[thomecollector]

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No, I value freindship more than money. I was stating that we would all at least consider all offers. I would never screw over a freind, or others. I take freindship very seriously. Which is probably why I only have one or two.......

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Heres the story as I know it. I'm the other buyer Mike. I contacted Robert Koppell when he said that the bat was "tentativly" sold and told him if the deal fell thru I would be willing to pay 600 + shipping. He responded that if I gave him $625 thru paypal that the bat was mine. We agreed and no less than 10 minutes later he tells me he had a better offer. Sorry charlie. He then proceeded as I read Chris' response to play us against each other tell the bidding got near $1000. At that point I had won the bidding three times and I think Chris twice. I was informed to send the money via paypal. I did this late in the evening. I found out the next day that there was a problem with the card that I was using. Robert had sent me repeated E-mails because of the time difference and told me the other buyer was getting the bat if I didnt respond. I looked up the sale on the Forum the following day only to see Zonker-Chris telling how he felt that he was screwed.
I also saw that Robert offered the bat to Chris for $625 if he could send the money "TODAY". Its right on the forum as his response. At this point he was calling out Chris because he knew that Chris could not pay "TODAY" because he needed a week as he states in his response.
I contacted Robert and asked him what the deal was offering the bat to Chris for $625 TODAY. Make me the same offer, i'm at $1150.
He sends me an E-mail that says he is a man of integrity and that I could have the bat for $625 "TODAY". I paypaled the funds to him and even told him if the bat was nice I would compensate him accordingly with more cash. No problem.
Well somewhere in this transaction on this forum he created a 4:00 deadline for me to pay $1150 or else. Well a couple of hours later when 4:00 came along Robert sends me an E-mail saying because i did not pay $1150 by 4:00 that the deal was void. He says he is refunding the money he had for a couple of hours back to me.

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Sorry I got a little excited and they had to edit my ending. Don't be confused into thinking that Robert is honoring the sale for the $625 as he stated. He lied,He is not. This is the last you will hear from me. Thanks

[thome25.com]

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I would agree this deal did not go as many of us would like them to go. With that said, Bob admits responsability (give him credit he's not hiding)... Additionally, I am certain there are a lot of folks on this site that have dealt with bob with zero issues, I happen to be one of them.. Looks like he could have done things differently, lets get off the beat down band wagon and get on with collecting.. Roger, sorry you think I screwed you for a thousand dollars. It was actually 1400.00... Like Bob I know I could have handled it differently. Lesson learned.

[skyking26]

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Thanks Carl. You may mention all the jersey deals we have concluded since Oct and bat deals thru the years. Have you EVER had an issue? You may mention assistance on some personal fronts of late. I have always been there as a friend to anyone. Chris fails to mention that I just days ago put Carlie and he together for what I had hoped would be some deals they could make. I just assisted a friend in Chicago with a thing recently, not asking for much, it was fun.

While there is truth in many statements that Mike mentions, there is a slant to it - 2 sides to any story. He fails to mention he has been refunded. No fees, nobody is out anything. We are all human, I at 44 years of age I have made many a mistake and will make many more. There is no need for me to expound on that. He fails to mention the nasty emails or voicemails. We all get sour grapes about a deal we hoped would happen. Anyway, at the end of the day I said I was sorry about any wrongdoings a thousand times, and like always people like to dwell on the negatives, not the positives. All the things I think I have done for people big or small, how often do I see that in print here? Not looking for anything but stating the facts. While this forum has garnered me many friends over the years, this is truely a job. I am surprised most by Chris not initially calling or emailing misgivings rather than this eruption - because it would have never ended this way. I thought after all I should speak.

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Nasty E-mails and voicemails. There you are running your mouth again skyking. E-mail them to some of the members for me so the truth be told. Let them confirm this truth or lie. You lie and you have Thome watching your back. Why would I be hateful. I was trying to make the deal work. As you said " If the deal falls through I will have egg on my face".
Well Robert, Thats not egg that we flush down the toilet.

[Vintagedeputy]

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1) You offer something for sale at a set price
2) A buyer responds and agrees to your price
3) the buyer and seller agree to how payment will be made and when
4) Payment is made and the bat is sent, transaction completed.

That is how it should go. If someone else emails an offer on the basis of "it that first deal falls through", so be it. If the first deal falls through, you go to the second offer.

I'm sure that every argument has 2 sides but this deal seems to stink more than a hot summer night in the Fulton Fish market. If the original buyer can provide funds in an acceptable time line, sell it to him at the agreed upon price. To do less is dishonorable.

Jim

[TNTtoys]

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My 2 cents for what they're worth...
A while back, I responded to a for sale ad here where the seller was offering a jersey I would be happy to add to my own collection, so I sent him an email. He wrote back telling me that he has already sold it and received payment for the item, BUT he would be happy to refund that payment if I would agree to pay him $100 more and paypal it to him immediately. After I told him to get lost, he sent me a "persuasive" email asking me to send him the money... and I received another, and another, until I finally stopped "politely declining."
This deal smells a lot like the one I refused to get involved in, but there were a few mistakes made here by multiple parties, not just Bob.
1. The price was set too low. I even wrote Bob an email asking for photos. I personally couldn't believe the price was only $500. I ultimately never wound up getting involved any further because once I checked my email the next morning, I saw the photos as well as another email informing me that it was already sold. My reply was a bit cliche... I laughed it off with the old adage "you snooze, you lose" -- well, maybe not.
2. As soon as someone stated "I'll take it", that should have ended it. I have made the mistake of selling an item too low here & there. You do kick yourself afterwards and move on. Bottom line is a verbal contract is a verbal contract.
3. Others who emailed and offered more are also at fault here. If my pockets were lined deeply, does that give me more of a right to trump the guy who has already struck a deal?
4. I am a father of 5. God knows I can use an extra $500 or $600... but this is not the way I want it to be handed to me... I would have to be willing to break a binding contract with someone else who I deep down would know would be (1) upset and (2) may tarnish my reputation. I probably would not feel very good about myself to do this.
So, I basically don't think this is one man's fault entirely. It's an unfortunate situation in which many mistakes were made and hopefully will be learned from.

Nick

[skyking26]

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Nasty E-mails and voicemails. There you are running your mouth again skyking. E-mail them to some of the members for me so the truth be told. Let them confirm this truth or lie. You lie and you have Thome watching your back. I kissed your ass to the end. Why would I be hateful. I was trying to make the deal work. As you said " If the deal falls through I will have egg on my face".
Well Robert, Thats not egg that we flush down the toilet.

Funny, telling me you'd send more money after you rec'd the bat "if you like it" makes no sense to me? Why would someone say that? Who does that? When I buy something, even if I know the person, I pay first. Has been that way for 30 years of collecting. If I am such a bad person, go to skyking26 and check the rating on ebay. 10 years, 1 negative on a never sent 8x10 to me...

[skyking26]

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My 2 cents for what they're worth...
A while back, I responded to a for sale ad here where the seller was offering a jersey I would be happy to add to my own collection, so I sent him an email. He wrote back telling me that he has already sold it and received payment for the item, BUT he would be happy to refund that payment if I would agree to pay him $100 more and paypal it to him immediately. After I told him to get lost, he sent me a "persuasive" email asking me to send him the money... and I received another, and another, until I finally stopped "politely declining."
This deal smells a lot like the one I refused to get involved in, but there were a few mistakes made here by multiple parties, not just Bob.
1. The price was set too low. I even wrote Bob an email asking for photos. I personally couldn't believe the price was only $500. I ultimately never wound up getting involved any further because once I checked my email the next morning, I saw the photos as well as another email informing me that it was already sold. My reply was a bit cliche... I laughed it off with the old adage "you snooze, you lose" -- well, maybe not.
2. As soon as someone stated "I'll take it", that should have ended it. I have made the mistake of selling an item too low here & there. You do kick yourself afterwards and move on. Bottom line is a verbal contract is a verbal contract.
3. Others who emailed and offered more are also at fault here. If my pockets were lined deeply, does that give me more of a right to trump the guy who has already struck a deal?
4. I am a father of 5. God knows I can use an extra $500 or $600... but this is not the way I want it to be handed to me... I would have to be willing to break a binding contract with someone else who I deep down would know would be (1) upset and (2) may tarnish my reputation. I probably would not feel very good about myself to do this.
So, I basically don't think this is one man's fault entirely. It's an unfortunate situation in which many mistakes were made and hopefully will be learned from.

Nick

Well said. I have no issues with any of this. Best piece I have read all day.

[nealdevelopment@yahoo.com]

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Robert, The more you talk the dumber you sound. You have never seen a person pay more for something they like??? There you go running your loose lips again. Vintage deputy pretty much summed up the whole story and you have to keep running your mouth. I have clients that I have sent to baseball games in the front row VIP sections and to football games on the sidelines with the press because of things they have done. You Dont think that that is paying more for something I have already recieved? Thats right, your broke. You have never experienced paying someone more for something that is beyond a great deal or favor. Ask Scott Welkowski if I did not give him front row tickets to the Padres game for deals already consumated. Heck I may send him again just thinking about it. Thats right, your broke. You don't get it. Why don't you just shut up about the bat and keep it. I'm sorry all you good forum people have to read this. The For Sale bat section is probably in jepardy over this and all this guy can do is run his mouth. And for his friends (Thome-batman) Quit sticking up for this guy and encouraging him. Let him go back in the closet where he belongs. He should apologize to the forum, shut his mouth, and move on. Why do you think Zonker-Chris has nothing to say to you. Figure it out.

[cjmedina1]

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1) You offer something for sale at a set price
2) A buyer responds and agrees to your price
3) the buyer and seller agree to how payment will be made and when
4) Payment is made and the bat is sent, transaction completed.

That is how it should go. If someone else emails an offer on the basis of "it that first deal falls through", so be it. If the first deal falls through, you go to the second offer.

I'm sure that every argument has 2 sides but this deal seems to stink more than a hot summer night in the Fulton Fish market. If the original buyer can provide funds in an acceptable time line, sell it to him at the agreed upon price. To do less is dishonorable.

Jim

Jim your right.Once the buyer and seller agrees on a price then the seller wants to be paid in a certain time line.Now if Bob wanted to be paid in the next day and the buyer can not who wouldn't go to the next buyer?The next buyer set the price not Bob.Again I see nothing wrong with that.Bob keep your head up and dont let this bring you down.

Carlie Medina III
carliemedinaiii@sbcglobal.net