GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

[hblakewolf]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Rudy-

Clearly, Grey Flannel must have some insight to this or at least some additional information that allows them to make their claims that this is MJ's first jersey-have you or any other Forum reader contacted Ritchie Ruzek or T.J. with your findings and concerns?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I think he is wearing another player's jersey. Olberding has dirty-blond STRAIGHT hair, Corzine has dark, afro-ish hair. It has to be Corzine. Look at some pics and compare.

at first i thought you guys were out to lunch but looking at these two pics and it really does seem like corzine put on olberding's jersey..



anyway, my point still stands that the photo is from 1982/83 because noone but olberding wore #53 that season and in 1981/82, artis gilmore wore #53 and i don't think there's any confusing gilmore with olberding/corzine.

rudy.

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Rudy has done some fine research on this Jordan.

Agreed! And I always enjoy a hoops thread.

It would be nice if Grey Flannel would do the same.

There ain't no money in research.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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I guess it's not?? Sure looks like him but not his number.

I think he is wearing another player's jersey. Olberding has dirty-blond STRAIGHT hair, Corzine has dark, afro-ish hair. It has to be Corzine. Look at some pics and compare.

*sorry to hijack this thread, but there are very few threads that interest me (still waiting for Vick to get busted with steroids, the bandwidth on this site might explode)

Rudy has done some fine research on this Jordan. It would be nice if Grey Flannel would do the same.

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

I guess it's not?? Sure looks like him but not his number.

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Were Dave Corzine and Mark Olberding twin brothers?

Yeah, that's Corzine. And it looks like Orlando Woolrigde to the right.

[both-teams-played-hard]

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the photo shows #53 for the bulls, mark olberding. he's the tall, bearded fellow. olberding only played one season for the bulls - 1982/83.

Were Dave Corzine and Mark Olberding twin brothers?

[kingjammy24]

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Rudy:

The photo of the player in the red #22 Bulls uniform you showed in your post is from the 1981-82 season, not the 1982-83 campaign. Getty IDs the player as Ray Blume, who wore #22 for the Bulls only in 1981-82...In 1982-83, Rod Higgins wore #22, and can be seen in that style jersey on his 1983-84 Star Co. BSKB card.

The research continues...

Dave M.
Chicago area

dave

how's this:



the photo shows #53 for the bulls, mark olberding. he's the tall, bearded fellow. olberding only played one season for the bulls - 1982/83. in 1981/82 he played for for the spurs. check out the guy behind olberding wearing #2-something.

rudy.

[sox83cubs84]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Rudy:

The photo of the player in the red #22 Bulls uniform you showed in your post is from the 1981-82 season, not the 1982-83 campaign. Getty IDs the player as Ray Blume, who wore #22 for the Bulls only in 1981-82...In 1982-83, Rod Higgins wore #22, and can be seen in that style jersey on his 1983-84 Star Co. BSKB card.

The research continues...

Dave M.
Chicago area

[suicide_squeeze]

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fyi, this GFC jordan shirt was scheduled to have been auctioned off in 2007 by sothebys but for some reason it was pulled or didn't sell as it doesn't seem to have ended up in the final results:

http://men.style.com/news/style/060407

auction results:

http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot...how_lot_name=Y

rudy.

Rudy,

You may be onto something here.

Could it be the same jersey, reappearing, that was pulled because there was a discovery as to it's authenticity back in 2007?

Very interesting. I suppose someone could contact Sotheby's and inquire why the jersey appears to have been pulled as it doesn't show up in the "results" posted. My guess, is that it was item #151 (as that one is skipped in the posted results and falls in with the basketball jerseys/items).

Interesting find Rudy....brings about a bunch of legit questions.

[kingjammy24]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

fyi, this GFC jordan shirt was scheduled to have been auctioned off in 2007 by sothebys but for some reason it was pulled or didn't sell as it doesn't seem to have ended up in the final results:

http://men.style.com/news/style/060407

auction results:

http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot...how_lot_name=Y

rudy.

[otismalibu]

Re: GFC: 1984 Michael Jordan's "first" jersey

Let me get this straight.

You're saying there is a superstar game worn item up for bid with a major auction house, but it's not exactly as advertised?

[kingjammy24]

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If Jordan was wearing the correct font in his first few regular season games, what are the chances that he was wearing a make-shift jersey after that?...probably not to good

exactly.

the bulls had a 'proper' jersey for him as of his very first road game (game #2 of his career). with that being the case, i can't see why he'd be issued a stripped jersey with an incorrect font afterwards. i could see it occurring during his later years when he became a superstar and was giving away jerseys and having them stolen and "lost" left, right and center and had to have some made up asap. (i'm remembering the time he had to enter a game wearing a #12 retail shirt, with no nob, after his jersey had been stolen right before a game). even though he was a highly-touted rookie in 1984, i don't think he went through 10 or 15 jerseys that season. in '84, i think guys like bernard king, magic, and larry bird were bigger stars. plus, it's not like there was a booming game-used market in '84. i think whatever jerseys jordan was issued near the start of the '84 season likely carried him through until the end of it and it's clear that jordan begun the season with properly-"fonted" jerseys.

i think the GFC shirt is neat and i think it's great that GFC found a photo of jordan wearing the incorrect font, but i think there's a big issue regarding whether jordan ever even wore it during the regular season. i too would rather have a regular season jersey than a preseason shirt, even if it was the "first preseason jersey issued to jordan". i'd want a jersey that played in an official game where jordan scored points that were counted towards his career totals. to me, jordan's first preseason shirt isn't all that different from his first practice jersey. i might even be more interested in his first practice shirt because at least that would truly be the very first bulls jersey ever issued to him and the one in which he took his very first shot as an NBA player.

rudy.

[lund6771]

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If Jordan was wearing the correct font in his first few regular season games, what are the chances that he was wearing a make-shift jersey after that?...probably not to good

personally I would much rather have a regular season jersey than a pre-season, regardless if it was worn in his first or 8th pre-season game

I consider this piece more of a novelty item unless it's proven to be a regular season jersey...I wouldn't even pay half of what it's going for now

[kingjammy24]

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Rudy:

I checked Getty and found a photo attributed to a December 1982 Bulls-Bucks game in Milwaukee. Reggie Theus is shown in the photo, and the numeric font on his 1982-83 jersey matches the font on this Jordan shirt. The Bulls numeric font changed in the 1983-84 season. It seems odd, though, that a number changed shirt from 1984 preseson wouldn't have the normal numeric font for that time frame, unless the number change was made back in 1982-83, and the name on back that is imprinted underneath Jordan's is someone other than the 2 #35 players mentioned in my first post above. Looks like some more digging needs to be done.

Dave Miedema
Chicago area

if you look at photos on getty of the 1982/83 bulls, you'll see them apparently wearing 2 different fonts. i found a few players wearing each style so it wasn't simply an error on 1 jersey. here are the 2 styles:



anyway, i agree that it is odd that the font doesn't match the timeframe. not sure why a 1984 jersey would have a 1982 font. in 1982, #23 was mike bratz. bratz was 6'2" though, compared to jordan's 6'6". in 1981 and 1983 noone wore #23. very hard to tell if the previous name and number were changed at the same time. i've tried various techniques to try to discern the previous name but can't with any certainty. the previous number is definitely #35 though and the first letter is "W". i think it's likely to have belonged to a player who didn't make the squad.

you know what would be nice? for the "official authenticator to the NBA hall of fame" to fully disclose all pertinent information to this $50k jersey instead of spending most of the description reminding people that michael jordan was an icon. i'd like to see GFC:

1) disclose when/where the photo that they posted was taken
2) provide an explanation behind the incorrect number font
3) suss out whether this jersey was solely a preseason shirt or whether it ever saw regular season action
4) properly label the jersey as "jordan's first preseason game jersey" if that's really what it is and then provide some sort of argument about why jordan's first preseason shirt was a road shirt, as opposed to a home shirt.
rudy.

basically, for the approx. $20k they stand to profit on this jersey, i'd like to see some actual authentication done. maybe they could even produce a letter from charles jeffrey.

rudy.