Game Issued that appear Game Used

[allstarsplus]

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LH 167415 are actually authenticated as Batting Practice Pants from 9/21/08 - a pair I had and subsequently sold.

Do you know anything about the rumor that Yankees players wore 2 jerseys during the Final Yankee Stadium game?

[shafrancollectibles.com]

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I have heard that same rumor and believe it to be true - I did not purchase any player's jerseys from the last game because of that. I did, however, buy 3 coach's jerseys which showed tremendous use.

[jdr3]

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I was at Andrew's house last night and there is no way you could fake the smell that is on the Rivera jersey. He had one other that had a funk on it also. The shirts must have been in the same car that was in the Seinfeld episode with a stench.

[kingjammy24]

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I was at Andrew's house last night and there is no way you could fake the smell that is on the Rivera jersey. He had one other that had a funk on it also. The shirts must have been in the same car that was in the Seinfeld episode with a stench.

hey jim

i don't think anyone thinks that the smell is 'faked', seeing as how andrew acquired the shirts directly from steiner.

i think the issue is that the two signs of possible wear could possibly have been transferred to the jersey via collection methods rather than actual use. i don't know how the yankees or steiner collect these things but is it possible that they just toss a bunch of items into a bag and take them away to sort out later? if the jersey was in a bag with other well-used jerseys then the smell could've transferred. i've accidentally put good shirts in with smelly shirts in my laundry hamper and the good shirts ended up smelling. if it was with things like cleats or bats then some of the dirt could've rubbed off. or, steiner could've made a mistake and andrew got a gamer.

the deeper issue i think is that with this new practice of sometimes wearing a jersey for only a couple of games, the traditional signs of wear are no longer applicable. whenever i look for wear on a jersey, i look for puckering on the mfr tag, curling flag tags, faded tagging, puckering on the team script and numbers, loose buttons, pilling, fading of the sleeve trim. these things take time to occur and you're not going to get them on a jersey that was worn once or twice. so when you've got a team or league trying to market the hell out of its shirts and selling them after only a few games, what do you end up looking for to discern game-issued from game-used? if steiner had washed the rivera jersey, then there'd be no dirt and no stench and what signs would andrew be left with then? would the shirt be noticeably different from a game-issued shirt? obviously, you need more than just the provenance as this case has shown.

at the end of the day, it was a mess for the customer (andrew) and it shouldn't have been. steiner told him congrats, keep the shirt. nice way of saying "we made an error and don't feel like fixing it. let's just pretend it never happened".

rudy.

[allstarsplus]

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I was at Andrew's house last night and there is no way you could fake the smell that is on the Rivera jersey. He had one other that had a funk on it also. The shirts must have been in the same car that was in the Seinfeld episode with a stench.

That road jersey that stanked was an Ivan Rodriguez game used jersey that there was no question on as it was purchased as a game used and the LOA is game used, but good for comparison as that one was very stinky too.

It was good seeing you last night and thanks for doing the smell test. lol

[allstarsplus]

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hey jim

i don't think anyone thinks that the smell is 'faked', seeing as how andrew acquired the shirts directly from steiner.

i think the issue is that the two signs of possible wear could possibly have been transferred to the jersey via collection methods rather than actual use. i don't know how the yankees or steiner collect these things but is it possible that they just toss a bunch of items into a bag and take them away to sort out later? if the jersey was in a bag with other well-used jerseys then the smell could've transferred. i've accidentally put good shirts in with smelly shirts in my laundry hamper and the good shirts ended up smelling. if it was with things like cleats or bats then some of the dirt could've rubbed off. or, steiner could've made a mistake and andrew got a gamer.

the deeper issue i think is that with this new practice of sometimes wearing a jersey for only a couple of games, the traditional signs of wear are no longer applicable. whenever i look for wear on a jersey, i look for puckering on the mfr tag, curling flag tags, faded tagging, puckering on the team script and numbers, loose buttons, pilling, fading of the sleeve trim. these things take time to occur and you're not going to get them on a jersey that was worn once or twice. so when you've got a team or league trying to market the hell out of its shirts and selling them after only a few games, what do you end up looking for to discern game-issued from game-used? if steiner had washed the rivera jersey, then there'd be no dirt and no stench and what signs would andrew be left with then? would the shirt be noticeably different from a game-issued shirt? obviously, you need more than just the provenance as this case has shown.

at the end of the day, it was a mess for the customer (andrew) and it shouldn't have been. steiner told him congrats, keep the shirt. nice way of saying "we made an error and don't feel like fixing it. let's just pretend it never happened".

rudy.

Someone came up with a good possibility that hadn't been mentioned which was maybe it was worn outside of the stadium for a promotion and got some stink and he put it back in his locker. Who knows....

Since I have kept it out of its bag, the smell isn't as strong. Jim Reed smelled it from the inside of the jersey in the armpit area and smelled the stank and a scent of cologne which I thought maybe was deoderant. In any case, probably not a transfer of stank as it is in both armpit areas only, but it is one of those mysteries that may never be unraveled unless Mariano himself had a recollection which is doubtful.

Much appreciated that a good person like Jim Reed subjected himself to the sniff test and didn't pass out. It was funny seeing a grown man smelling someone else's stank. THANKS JIM!

[thomecollector]

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Great pickups , Andrew ! Way to go. Now, if you could only uncover some long lost Thome items !